Radial dependence of the Sun's magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the radial dependence of the Sun's magnetic field, specifically examining the formula ##B(r) \approx B_{\odot} \Big(\frac{R_{\odot}}{r}\Big)^{1/2}## and its derivation. Participants explore the principles of magnetic flux conservation and the applicability of the inverse square law at different distances from the Sun.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for the Sun's magnetic field and questions its derivation, particularly the exponent in the formula related to magnetic flux conservation.
  • Another participant explains that the sources of the magnetic field are currents from various locations around the Sun and argues that close-range behavior does not follow the inverse square law.
  • There is a correction regarding the value of the magnetic field strength, with participants agreeing on ##B \approx 0.0001 T##.
  • A question is raised about the applicability of the inverse square law at larger distances, specifically at ##r \approx 50R_\odot##.
  • It is noted that while the inverse square law may apply for a single magnetic pole, the combined effects of two poles lead to an inverse cube relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the corrected value of the magnetic field strength. However, there is no consensus on the applicability of the inverse square law at larger distances, as differing views on magnetic field behavior are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of magnetic fields and the conditions under which certain laws apply, which remain unresolved.

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I was solving some problems from a textbook and I found this formula for the radial dependence of the sun's magnetic field, ##B(r) \approx B_{\odot} \Big(\frac{R_{\odot}}{r}\Big)^{1/2}##, where ##B_\odot \approx 0.001T## is the magnetic field strength in the photosphere.
But how can this formula be derived and what principles are used for that?
I am thinking about assuming that magnetic flux is conserved, ##4\pi R_\odot^2 B_\odot=4 \pi r^2 B(r)##. Thus ##B(r)=B_\odot \Big(\frac{R_\odot}{r}\Big)^2##, but the exponent is 2 instead of 1/2.
Why am I wrong? Doesn't the magnetic flux conserve?
 
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The sources for this magnetic field are currents that can be from different locations around the sun. The equation is apparently applicable at distances ## r ## from the center that are on the order of the radius of the sun. For this kind of close range behavior, you can not expect to see inverse square law type behavior. ## \\ ## Meanwhile, for magnetic fields, ## \nabla \cdot B=0 ## says that the magnetic lines of flux are conserved. For magnetic type sources, e.g. sources consisting of what can be approximated by something such as a cylindrical magnet with two poles, that doesn't necessarily mean that inverse square law behavior will occur. It simply means the flux lines for ## B ## are continuous as they go through the magnet and emerge from one end and return in the other. See https://www.google.com/imgres?imgur...hUKEwikmtrR74HdAhVCAqwKHZ5-Ar4Q9QEwAHoECAcQBg ## \\ ## And you might want to check the decimal place on your formula. A google shows the magnetic field of the sun near and around its surface is ## B \approx 1.0 ## gauss ## =0.0001 \, T ##.
 
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Thank you for the explanation.
Yes, you are right. It is ##0.0001 T##.
Can the inverse square law be used at a larger distance from the sun? Let's say ##r \approx 50R_\odot##.
 
prodi said:
Thank you for the explanation.
Yes, you are right. It is ##0.0001 T##.
Can the inverse square law be used at a larger distance from the sun? Let's say ##r \approx 50R_\odot##.
For the effect of the field from a single pole, such as the + pole of a permanent magnet, the inverse square law can apply, but when the effects of two poles (+ and -) are considered together, the result is often inverse cube. So the answer to that is no.
 
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Charles Link said:
when the effects of two poles (+ and -) are considered together, the result is often inverse cube.
From the Wikipedia article on magnetic dipoles...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_dipole

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