Radial equation for atoms that are not hydrogen?

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The discussion revolves around the radial equations for atoms beyond hydrogen, specifically in the context of calculating x-ray frequencies from emitted electrons during alpha decay of Americium-241 to Neptunium-237. The original poster expresses difficulty in finding applicable equations for these heavier elements and their electron configurations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the lack of analytical solutions for Schrödinger's equation for atoms other than hydrogen and question the original poster's specific goals in calculating x-ray frequencies. There is also a discussion about the implications of alpha decay on electron energy states and the resulting x-ray emissions.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the complexities of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the challenges of accurately performing these calculations without computational assistance. Multiple interpretations of the phenomena involved are being explored.

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Participants note the complications arising from the need to calculate orbital energies and radial equations for elements low on the periodic table, as well as the original poster's constraints regarding the available information and resources.

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So I've seen radial equations for Hydrogen out there (eg http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/hydrad.html), where can I find one for more any arbitrary atom?

admitedly, I realize that the equations become more and more complicated the larger the atom is. This is especially problematic considering that i need to calculate radii for electrons in Am-241, Np-237 etc, but unless there is an easier way to calculate the frequencies of these electrons, I don't have much of an option ^_^
 
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There are no analytical solutions for the SE for atoms other than hydrogen. What are you trying to solve?
 
I need to find the characteristic xray frequencies from the emitted electrons as they move from their original orbits in Am-241 to their lower energy orbits in Np-237. My thought was I can calculate the wavelengh of these electrons knowing their radial equations, and calculate the frequency difference from there to calculate the xray frequencies. Obviously If I know the orbital energies this problem will be even easier, but I could not find such expressions either.
 
Wait, wait, wait. What phenomenon is this? Electrons are going from an Americum atom to a Neptunium atom?
 
sorry, i guess I was not very clear. As Am-241 undergoes alpha decay to Np-237, x-rays are emitted and can be detected. These xrays are not gamma rays that come from the nucleus as one might initially think.

The electrons in the Am atom have a certain energy whose wavefunction depends on the nucleus (because the nucleus provides a potential). when the nucleus suddenly drops 2 protons, the potential of the wavefunctions of the electrons will also change one would expect for the electrons to drop down to lower energy states as a result, which is how the xrays are produced.

my job is to calculate the frequency of the xrays that are produced and compare this to the spectrum that I have detected (in order to calibrate the detector). again though, i don't know how to calculate the orbital energy or radial equation for electrons that are this low on the periodic table
 
I know quite a bit about spectroscopy, but not very much about nuclear physics. But I'm going to take a wild guess and say that this is not the kind of calculation that you can do accurately without a computer program.
 

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