Radiation by accelerating charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of radiation emitted by an accelerating charge, particularly an electron, and explores the theoretical underpinnings of this process within Quantum Field Theory (QFT) and Quantum Electrodynamics (QED). Participants inquire about the mechanisms behind radiation, the mathematical descriptions involved, and the implications of different frames of reference.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question why an accelerating electron radiates, seeking explanations rooted in QFT and QED.
  • One participant mentions a specific process in QED where an electron emits a photon, indicating a vertex in the Feynman diagram.
  • Another participant requests references for a book that explains the radiation of an accelerating electron from a QED perspective, noting their familiarity with classical derivations.
  • A participant discusses the amplitude of photon emission by an accelerated charge in the context of Minkowski vacuum, suggesting a current model.
  • Some argue that classical electromagnetism suffices to explain radiation without needing QFT or QM, framing radiation as a change in the electric force's position.
  • One participant references a book that critiques the classical treatment of radiation and highlights the complications arising from self-interaction of charges.
  • Another participant elaborates on the issues of runaway acceleration and pre-acceleration in classical theories, suggesting that these problems were not satisfactorily resolved historically.
  • There is a discussion about the frame of reference of the charge and why radiation may not be detected in that frame, with references to the equivalence principle and boundary conditions affecting radiation calculations.
  • A participant mentions a specific book that addresses radiation by charged particles in gravitational fields.
  • One participant describes the calculation of transition currents in QFT and how they relate to electromagnetic radiation, referencing the Lienard-Wiechert potentials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of QFT for explaining radiation, with some asserting that classical electromagnetism is sufficient, while others emphasize the complexities introduced by QFT. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to understanding radiation from an accelerating charge.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in classical electromagnetism's ability to rigorously derive radiation from accelerating charges, noting issues with self-interaction and infinities. The discussion also touches on the implications of different frames of reference for detecting radiation, suggesting that boundary conditions play a crucial role in calculations.

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Why according to QFT accelerating electron radiates? What is the vertex in Feynman diagram for this proces.
 
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electron -> electron + photon
 
Could anyone give me a reference to a book where I can find explanation why
accelerating electron radiates. I'm interested in argument based on QED.
I know the classical derivation of thise effect. Thanks in advance.
 
What is the amplitude of emission of a photon with momentum
k and polarization lambda by the accelerated charge in
the Minkowski vacuum. Let's consider accelerated charge as
a current.
 
I don't see why it requires QFT or even QM to explain why an electron radiates when it accelerates, radiation is just a change in position of the electric force termed the electromagnetic wave.

QFT is the study of the force itself weather it is radiating or not right?
 
It is explained in detail in the book: "Quantum Field Theory" by Claude Itzykson and Jean-Bernard Zuber. In the introduction, they also explain in detail why the classical treatment is problematic.
 
The conventional view (also explained in the book by Itzykson & Zuber) is that within classical electromagnetism one cannot give a fully rigorous derivation of the radiation emitted by an accelerated charge.

The source of the problem is actually quite easy to understand. If a charge is accelerated by an electric field and it radiates, it loses the energy and momentum in the radiation. So, the force on the charge is not given by the applied electric field times the charge. But, by assumption, only electromagnetic fields can interact with the charge. So, to correctly describe the motion of the charge from first principles, one would have to consider the interaction of the charge with the total electromagnetic fields, which consists of the applied field plus the fields generated by the charge itself.

Now, in principle, one would always have to include the intereaction of the charge with its own field, but this, of course, leads to infinities. But one can ignore this problem in case of non accelerating charges as the net effect of the self-interaction should vanish.

For accelerating charges this is no longer true (indeed, it is the very source of the energy and momentum radiated by the charge). But in the 19th century and early 20th century, this problem was never satisfactory solved. The theory leads to either equations that allow a charge to undergo runaway accelerations in the absense of an applied field. Or, you end up with pre-acceleration. I.e. if you suddenly switch on a field at t = 0, the charge starts to accelerate slightly before t = 0.

Recently a solution of this problem was proposed here:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.2391
 
Count Iblis said:
The conventional view (also explained in the book by Itzykson & Zuber) is that within classical electromagnetism one cannot give a fully rigorous derivation of the radiation emitted by an accelerated charge.

The source of the problem is actually quite easy to understand. If a charge is accelerated by an electric field and it radiates, it loses the energy and momentum in the radiation. So, the force on the charge is not given by the applied electric field times the charge. But, by assumption, only electromagnetic fields can interact with the charge. So, to correctly describe the motion of the charge from first principles, one would have to consider the interaction of the charge with the total electromagnetic fields, which consists of the applied field plus the fields generated by the charge itself.

Now, in principle, one would always have to include the intereaction of the charge with its own field, but this, of course, leads to infinities. But one can ignore this problem in case of non accelerating charges as the net effect of the self-interaction should vanish.

For accelerating charges this is no longer true (indeed, it is the very source of the energy and momentum radiated by the charge). But in the 19th century and early 20th century, this problem was never satisfactory solved. The theory leads to either equations that allow a charge to undergo runaway accelerations in the absense of an applied field. Or, you end up with pre-acceleration. I.e. if you suddenly switch on a field at t = 0, the charge starts to accelerate slightly before t = 0.

Recently a solution of this problem was proposed here:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0905.2391

Thanks for your answer.
I have one more question. Do you understand why the radiation isn't seen in the
frame of reference of the charge. I heard that the energy of emmited quanta is
equal 0 in this frame so they cannot be detected.
 
paweld said:
Why according to QFT accelerating electron radiates? What is the vertex in Feynman diagram for this proces.

Keep in mind that QFT provides only the S-matrix coefficients for you. For example, QED can calculate the amplitude for the process in which two electrons collide and produce two electrons plus one photon (this is called bremsstrahlung). Apparently, at the point of collision the two electrons were accelerated, which was the cause for the photon emission. However, QED S-matrix does not tell you how exactly this emission occurred. It only tells you the final result (emitted photon) and the probability for it.

Eugene.
 
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paweld said:
Thanks for your answer.
I have one more question. Do you understand why the radiation isn't seen in the
frame of reference of the charge. I heard that the energy of emmited quanta is
equal 0 in this frame so they cannot be detected.

I vaguely remember reading something like that a long time ago. I'm not sure this is really correct, though. I think it is really an issue on how you define what you mean by "radiation". You sometime hear arguments like this when discussing whether or not the equivalence prinicple is valid when a charge is accelerated by a gravitational field.

Naively a charge accelerated by a gravitational field should should look the same as a stationary charge floating in space viewed by an accelerated observer. But this doesn't sound right as in the former case, the charge should emit radiation while in the latter case, just because the obserer is accelerating cannot mean that the charge emits radiation.

But from what I've read, the paradox is resolved by taking into account the fact that applying the equivalence principle doesn't yield the corect boundary conditons at infinity here and those boundary conditions are important if you want to compute the radiation. So, the accelerated observer does see an accelerated charge, just like stationary observer sees an accelerated charge when it falls in a gravitational field, but the asymptotic behavior of the fields is not the same in both cases.
 
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paweld said:
Why according to QFT accelerating electron radiates? What is the vertex in Feynman diagram for this proces.

What you calculate in QFT (from the vertex) is the transition current, the interference
between the initial momentum state and the final momentum state. This pattern is a
sinusoidal charge/current density + spin density. It is this pattern which is the source
of the electromagnetic radiation.

Lienard Wiechert is used to determine the propagation from the source as expressed
by the propagator 1/q^2. The transverse components stem from the sinusoidal spin
density (magnetization) components of the transition current.


Regards, Hans
 

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