Radioactive decay (may include math)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the half-life of a radioactive substance based on its emission rate of alpha particles. Participants explore the mathematical and conceptual aspects of radioactive decay, including the assumptions involved in the decay process and the necessary mathematical tools for solving the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the simplicity of the problem, noting that the decay rate changes as atoms emit alpha particles, suggesting that calculus may be necessary to accurately model the decay process.
  • Another participant proposes that the problem can be approached using an exponential decay formula, indicating that basic calculus is required to derive this formula.
  • A third participant provides a mathematical model, stating that the rate of change in the number of particles is proportional to the current number of particles, leading to an exponential decay function.
  • Another contribution clarifies that while deriving the formula requires calculus, applying the formula itself can be done using simple algebra, and provides specific equations related to activity and decay constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of calculus for solving the problem. Some argue that calculus is essential for deriving the decay formula, while others believe that the application of the formula can be handled with algebra alone. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the decay process, such as the treatment of the product atom's decay rate as negligible, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions and the mathematical steps involved in deriving the necessary formulas.

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A question was originally put in the homework help forum
"1 gramm radiates 3,7*10^10 alpha-particles in a second. Find out the half-life"

At a glance it looks simple. You start with X number of AMU, it's radiating at a rate of Y, find out how long it takes to get to 0.5X; right? Then I thought about it a second time. Once 1 atom of this substance emits an alpha particle, that atom is no longer the same, so it doesn't have the same rate it had before. This would mean the overall decay rate is constantly changing. If you think back to radioactive decay graphs from school, things do not decay in straight lines. Decay is always, or usually, logarithmic.

This problem was in the easy physics homework section, which would imply no calculus is involved. I can't figure out how this problem can be done without it.
 
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Is it presumed you'll just plug some numbers into some exponential-decay forumula? Otherwise, I think you need basic calculus to derive the result.

Note: once an atom has decayed, it is normally assumed that the product atom has zero significant decay rate.
 
Hey guys it is not too difficult the assumption is that the rate of change in particles number is Proportional to the present number: dN=-NdtY (where Y is the inverse of the half-life time). this ODE is easy too to integrate:

N=NoExp(-tY)

So the decay is alway exponentially decreasing... and it depeds upon two parameters No and Y...

bye Marco
 
If you need to derive the formula, you need calculus. But to use the formula is simple college algebra.
Activity = Number of atoms*Decay Constant (Decay Constant = ln2/Half-life)
Number of atoms in sample = Avogadro's Number*Mass of sample/Gram Atomic Weight
Activity(at time t) = Activity (at time = 0)exp(-decay constant*t)
Specific Activity = Avogadro's Number*Decay Constant/Gram Atomic Weight
 

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