Beta Decay, why did they have to resort to Neutrinos?

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The discussion centers on the historical development of the neutrino hypothesis in relation to beta decay, particularly from 1911 to 1930. By 1931, physicists proposed the neutrino to resolve inconsistencies in energy and momentum conservation observed in beta decay, which could not be explained by earlier theories that suggested a pool of energy in the nucleus. The community abandoned the energy pool hypothesis due to its failure to account for the continuous energy spectrum of emitted electrons, leading to the conclusion that an undetected particle was necessary for conservation laws. Key figures like Bohr argued that beta decay violated conservation principles, prompting the search for a new particle.

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  • Understanding of beta decay and its energy spectrum
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  • #31
malawi_glenn said:
It matched good enough in the 1930's at least to call Fermi's theory a "success".
Fermi's theory did not predict a phase-space like spectrum (see above), Indeed, one of the successes of the theory was that it got the spectrum right.
 
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  • #32
Vanadium 50 said:
But not 3-body phase space. You need the q^5/M_W^4 to match data,
Sure, but that was explained theoretically only later by Fermi's weak-interaction model, using Pauli's hypothesis about the particle we call neutrino today (in 1930 Pauli called it neutron, but then they named the neutron neutron, which was discovered in 1932; so finally the name neutrino was given to Pauli's hypothetical particle).
 
  • #33
GregM said:
@mfb @hutchphd @Vanadium 50 @vela
Thanks for your comments. I take it that you, like me, haven't found a list of papers from 1911~1929AD on hypotheses for beta decay energy sources.
I apologize for this delayed response. I came across this thread only just now, in the list of "suggested threads" at the end of a more recent discussion about beta decay.

While working on my PhD in experimental neutrino physics many years ago, I collected some photocopies of historical articles about the neutrino. The first item in that binder is a very nice historical summary with about 20 references to papers from the 1920s and 1930s:

Laurie M. Brown, "The idea of the neutrino", Physics Today, September 1978.

There's also this:

W. Pauli, "Zur älteren und neueren Geschichte des Neutrinos", based on a lecture he gave in 1957 and subsequently published in Aufsätze und Vorträge über Physik und Erkenntnisthorie (V. F. Weisskopf, ed., 1961). I found it in his Collected Scientific Papers (1964), vol. 2. This is also very readable (if you can read German, that is) and provides some more references to early papers.
 
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