Radioactive decay of Uranium 238

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The discussion revolves around determining the age of a rock sample based on the radioactive decay of Uranium-238 (238U) to Lead-206 (206Pb). The original poster presents a scenario where the quantities of both isotopes are known, and they seek to apply the principles of radioactive decay to estimate the rock's age.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to convert the masses of Uranium and Lead into particle numbers and apply the radioactive decay formula. They explore different assumptions regarding the initial quantity of Uranium and the relationship to the amount of Lead present.
  • Some participants question the understanding of the decay constant (λ) and its relationship to half-life, suggesting clarification on this point.
  • There is a discussion about the molar masses of the isotopes involved, with some participants providing corrections and clarifications on these values.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and assumptions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the decay constant and its calculation, while multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored. The original poster expresses gratitude for the insights received.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly understanding the decay constant in relation to half-life, which is a critical aspect of the calculations being discussed. There is also a mention of potential confusion regarding the molar masses of the isotopes involved in the decay process.

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Homework Statement


Analyzing a rock sample, it is found that it contains 1.58 mg of 238U and 0.342 mg of 206Pb, which is the stable final product of the disintegration of 238U. Assume that all 206Pb found comes from the disintegration of 238U originally contained in sample. How old is this rock?

Homework Equations



Radioactive decay:
N = N_0 e^{- \lambda t}, where \lambda stands for the decay constant, and N_0 and N(t) stands for the initial and the number of particles in some instant of time. To convert the mass of the Uranium and Plumbum of the sample, it will be necessary to use the number of Avogadro N_A = 6.02 \times 10^23, and their respective molar mass, 238.02891u and 207.2 u.

The Attempt at a Solution


My attempt consisted in convert the mass of Uranium and Plubum to N_U and N_{Pb} using their molar mass, which resulted in 4.00\times 10^{21} and 9.94\times 10^{20} respectively.
In my first try, I used that N_0 = N_U + N_Pb in the Radioactive decay, and got 9.99\times 10^8 years.
The author claims that this time is 1.45\times 10^9 years.
In my second try, I observed the 238U series here, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decay_chain#Uranium_series, and verified that there are 8 alpha decays before one Plubum atom appears. With this in mind I used that N_0 = N_U + 32*N_{Pb} (I considered that an alpha decay takes 4u of mass from the sample) and got 9.86\times 10^9 years.
Please, I really need some help, I just can't figure out any better assumptions to solve this. I must be using some very incorrect reasoning.
 
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Your first try is correct. I suspect you are confusing half-life and λ. Show us your calculations using your first attempt with N0 = NU + NPb.
 
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Just a couple of pedantic points:
The English name of Pb is Lead.
The molar mass of 206Pb is 206 (205.974, but 206 is close enough for the present purpose). 207.2 is the molar mass of naturally occurring lead, with its mixture of isotopes.
 
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mjc123 said:
Just a couple of pedantic points:
The English name of Pb is Lead.
The molar mass of 206Pb is 206 (205.974, but 206 is close enough for the present purpose). 207.2 is the molar mass of naturally occurring lead, with its mixture of isotopes.
mjc123 said:
Just a couple of pedantic points:
The English name of Pb is Lead.
The molar mass of 206Pb is 206 (205.974, but 206 is close enough for the present purpose). 207.2 is the molar mass of naturally occurring lead, with its mixture of isotopes.

Ok, thanks all for the replies!
My calculus:
<br /> <br /> \begin{aligned} &amp; N=N_{0}e^{-\lambda t}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; -\lambda t=\ln\left(\frac{N}{N_{0}}\right)\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; t=\frac{\ln\left(\frac{N_{0}}{N}\right)}{\lambda}\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{\ln\left(\frac{N_{U}+N_{Pb}}{N_{U}}\right)}{\frac{1}{T_{\frac{1}{2}}}}\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{\ln\left(1+\frac{N_{Pb}}{N_{U}}\right)}{\frac{1}{T_{\frac{1}{2}}}}\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{\ln\left[1+\frac{m_{Pb}\left(\frac{m_{mol{}_{Pb}}}{N_{A}}\right)}{m_{U}\left(\frac{m_{mol{}_{U}}}{N_{A}}\right)}\right]}{\frac{1}{T_{\frac{1}{2}}}}\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{\ln\left[1+\frac{\left(m_{Pb}\right)\left(m_{mol{}_{Pb}}\right)}{\left(m_{U}\right)\left(m_{mol{}_{U}}\right)}\right]}{\frac{1}{T_{\frac{1}{2}}}}\\<br /> &amp; =\frac{\ln\left[1+\frac{\left(0.342 \text{mg}\right)\left(206\text{u}\right)}{\left(1.58\text{mg}\right)\left(238.02891\text{u}\right)}\right]}{\frac{1}{4.5\times10^{9}\text{y}}}\\<br /> &amp; \approxeq7.38\times10^{8}\text{y}.<br /> \end{aligned}
 
As I suspected. λ is not 1 / Half-life. λ is ln(2) / Halflife. If you take your original answer of 1.0E9 years and divide by ln(2) you will have the answer.
 
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phyzguy said:
As I suspected. λ is not 1 / Half-life. λ is ln(2) / Halflife. If you take your original answer of 1.0E9 years and divide by ln(2) you will have the answer.

Thank you very much!
 
Portuga said:
Thank you very much!
Do you understand why λ=ln(2)/half life?
 
haruspex said:
Do you understand why λ=ln(2)/half life?
Yes, now I got the point!
<br /> \begin{aligned} &amp; N=N_{0}e^{-\lambda t}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; \frac{N_{0}}{2}=N_{0}e^{-\lambda T_{\frac{1}{2}}}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; \frac{1}{2}=e^{-\lambda T_{\frac{1}{2}}}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; \ln\left(\frac{1}{2}\right)=-\lambda T_{\frac{1}{2}}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; \ln2=\lambda T_{\frac{1}{2}}\\<br /> \Rightarrow &amp; \lambda=\frac{\ln2}{T_{\frac{1}{2}}}<br /> \end{aligned}<br />
 
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