Raising the ladder operators to a power

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the problem of raising ladder operators to a power in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the expectation value of the operator X raised to the fifth power. The scope includes homework-related inquiries and technical reasoning regarding operator algebra.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • A participant presents a homework problem involving the operator X and its fifth power, questioning whether there is a method to simplify the computation without iterating through all the resulting terms from the raising and lowering operators.
  • Another participant notes that only terms with equal numbers of raising (##a^+##) and lowering (##a##) operators will contribute non-zero values, suggesting a simplification in the calculation.
  • A later reply introduces Wick's theorem as a general method for computing expectation values, indicating that it can reduce the problem to a combinatorial one rather than requiring extensive commutation calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a shared understanding of the significance of equal numbers of raising and lowering operators, but there is no consensus on the best approach to solve the problem without further exploration of the iterations involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the potential complexities involved in applying Wick's theorem or the specific combinatorial aspects that may arise in this context.

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Hi! I am working on homework and came across this problem:

<n|X5|n>

I know X = ((ħ/(2mω))1/2 (a + a+))

And if I raise X to the 5th, its becomes X5 = ((ħ/(2mω))5/2 (a + a+)5)

What I'm wondering is, is there anyway to be able to solve this without going through all of the iterations the raising and lowering operators will create being raised to the 5th power? Or will I just have to tackle every strain this will produce?
 
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One thing you might notice is that only terms with equal numbers of ##a^+## and ##a## will be non zero.
 
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Paul Colby said:
One thing you might notice is that only terms with equal numbers of ##a^+## and ##a## will be non zero.
XD Oh man, thanks, that actually makes this problem a cakewalk
 
Even more generally, there is something called Wick's theorem which is invaluable to computing these sorts of expectation values. It essentially uses the trick pointed out by Paul Colby, but more explicitly reduces computing harmonic oscillator expectation values to a combinatorics problem (rather than laboriously doing all the commutations).
 

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