Harmonic oscillator ladder operators

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The discussion centers on the proof of a relation involving the ladder operators of a simple harmonic oscillator and their behavior under time evolution. Participants explore mathematical techniques and formulations related to this topic, including the use of Taylor expansion, Heisenberg's equations of motion, and the Trotter product formula.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the relation involving the ladder operators and seeks a proof.
  • Another suggests using Taylor expansion as a method to approach the proof.
  • A participant attempts to apply the Heisenberg equations of motion but expresses confusion about a specific step in their derivation.
  • Another participant recommends the Trotter product formula as an alternative method, although they note the source is in German.
  • There is a discussion about the Lie product formula and its application, with one participant expressing uncertainty about how to use it.
  • A participant clarifies their goal, correcting their earlier statement about the proof they are attempting to show.
  • Another participant introduces the number operator and its relation to the Hamiltonian, suggesting that it might simplify the proof.
  • They detail a series of steps involving the number operator and the exponential of the ladder operator, aiming to show the equivalence of two expressions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the proof, as there are multiple approaches discussed and some expressions of confusion regarding specific steps. The discussion remains unresolved with various competing methods presented.

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Participants express uncertainty about specific mathematical steps and the application of various formulas, indicating that assumptions and definitions may play a significant role in their arguments.

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The ladder operators of a simple harmonic oscillator which obey

$$[H,a^{\dagger}]=\hbar\omega\ a^{\dagger}$$.

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I would like to see a proof of the relation

$$\exp(-iHt)\exp(a^{\dagger})\exp(iHt)|0\rangle=\exp(a^{\dagger}e^{-i\omega t})|0\rangle\exp(i\omega t/2).$$

Thoughts?
 
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As always, try Taylor expansion.
 
I did this.

##\exp(-iHt)\exp\left( ca^{\dagger}\right)\exp(iHt)|0,0\rangle##

##= \exp\left( c[a^{\dagger},H]\right)|0,0\rangle##

##= \exp\left( ca^{\dagger}\exp(-i\omega t)\right)\exp(i\omega t)|0,0\rangle##

Where have I gone wrong?
 
failexam said:
##\exp(-iHt)\exp\left( ca^{\dagger}\right)\exp(iHt)|0,0\rangle##

##= \exp\left( c[a^{\dagger},H]\right)|0,0\rangle##
I don't understand how you go from the first line to the second.
 
I used Heisenberg's equation of motion for the ladder operator in the Heisenberg picture.
 
The Heisenberg equations of motion are a good idea, but it's perhaps easier to use the Trotter product formula,

http://theory.gsi.de/~vanhees/faq/quant/node99.html

The link is in German, but the formula density should be high enough to get what you need. Note that in your case you can resum the resulting series explicitly.
 
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failexam said:
The ladder operators of a simple harmonic oscillator which obey

$$[H,a^{\dagger}]=\hbar\omega\ a^{\dagger}$$.

---

I would like to see a proof of the relation

$$\exp(-iHt)\exp(a^{\dagger})\exp(iHt)|0\rangle=\exp(a^{\dagger}e^{-i\omega t})|0\rangle\exp(i\omega t/2).$$

Thoughts?

Is this a homework problem?
 
stevendaryl said:
Is this a homework problem?

No, it's not! This is from a paper that I am reading.
 
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Sorry, I made a mistake. This is what I am trying to prove.

##\exp(-iHt)\exp(a^{\dagger})\exp(iHt)|0\rangle=\exp(a^{\dagger}e^{-i\omega t})|0\rangle##
 
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Okay, so it might be slightly easier to work with the "number" operator N, which is related to H via:

H = (N+1/2) \omega (in units where \hbar = 1)

In terms of the number operator, [N, a^\dagger] = a^\dagger.

So we want to show that:

e^{-i (N+1/2) \omega t} e^{a^\dagger} e^{+i (N+1/2) \omega t} |0\rangle = exp(a^\dagger e^{-i\omega t}) |0\rangle

Since e^{-i/2 \omega t} and e^{+i/2 \omega t} are just numbers, not operators, they commute, and they combine to form 1. So we need to show:

e^{-i N \omega t} e^{a^\dagger} e^{+i N \omega t} |0\rangle = exp(a^\dagger e^{-i\omega t}) |0\rangle

Here, we can write e^{i N \omega t} = 1 + i N\omega t + 1/2 (i N \omega t)^2 + .... When this acts to the right on |0\rangle, we just get |0\rangle, because N |0\rangle = 0. So we want to show:

e^{-i N \omega t} e^{a^\dagger} |0\rangle = exp(a^\dagger e^{-i\omega t}) |0\rangle

Now, we write e^{a^\dagger} as \sum_n (a^\dagger)^n/n!

We can prove (by induction) that if |n\rangle is the normalized state in which N |n\rangle = n |n \rangle, then (a^\dagger)^n |0\rangle = \sqrt{n!} |n\rangle

So we have, on the left-hand side:

e^{-i N \omega t} \sum_n \frac{\sqrt{n!}}{n!} |n\rangle

Now, you can bring the first exponent inside the sum to get:

\sum_n \frac{\sqrt{n!}}{n!} e^{-i N \omega t} |n\rangle

Since N |n\rangle = n |n\rangle, this just becomes:

\sum_n \frac{\sqrt{n!}}{n!} e^{-i n \omega t} |n\rangle
= \sum_n \frac{\sqrt{n!}}{n!} (e^{-i \omega t})^n |n\rangle

Now, we can undo the application of (a^\dagger)^n:

\sum_n \frac{\sqrt{n!}}{n!} (e^{-i \omega t})^n |n\rangle = \sum_n (e^{-i \omega t})^n (a^\dagger)^n/n!|0\rangle
= \sum_n (a^\dagger e^{-i \omega t})^n/n!|0\rangle
= exp(a^\dagger e^{-i \omega t})|0\rangle
 
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