Is the Universe Random or Chaotic?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Passionate Eng
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Chaos Randomness
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the distinction between randomness and chaos in the universe. "Strictly random" refers to outcomes that cannot be determined even with complete information, prevalent in quantum mechanics. In contrast, "loosely random" outcomes can be influenced by known variables but remain unpredictable due to practical limitations. Chaos theory illustrates how minor changes can lead to vastly different outcomes, exemplified by planetary fly-bys. The terms "strictly random" and "loosely random" were coined by the participants for clarity.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of quantum mechanics and its implications on randomness
  • Familiarity with chaos theory and its principles
  • Knowledge of deterministic systems and their limitations
  • Basic grasp of mathematical modeling and prediction
NEXT STEPS
  • Research quantum mechanics and its interpretation of randomness
  • Study chaos theory, focusing on the butterfly effect and its applications
  • Explore deterministic systems and their predictive capabilities
  • Investigate mathematical models used in chaotic systems
USEFUL FOR

Philosophers, physicists, mathematicians, and anyone interested in the fundamental nature of the universe and the interplay between randomness and chaos.

Passionate Eng
Messages
36
Reaction score
1
The universe is random or chaotic?
 
Space news on Phys.org
Some of both, depending on your definitions.
Random means that the outcome can not be determined even with all information known. In the quantum world, there is plenty of that. Call that "strictly random". But most people would interpret "random" as being undetermined given what we can know. Call that "loosely random". That is a big difference and it leaves a lot of things in the universe categorized as "loosely random".

Chaotic means that the outcome is greatly affected by tiny differences (A butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil causing a hurricane.) There is a lot of that in the universe. Near collisions of planets are an example where a tiny difference in the fly-by conditions will put the resulting path on a completely different path. In that case, if we have perfect knowledge and calculation capability, we can figure out the result. So it is not what I would call "strictly random". But if we don't assume those perfect capabilities, we are in the "loosely random" category.

PS. I just made up the "strictly random" and "loosely random" terms. Someone may be able to give us a more formal answer to your question.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
9K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
5K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 122 ·
5
Replies
122
Views
13K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K