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The discussion revolves around finding the domain and range of two functions, f(x) = x/(x+1) and g(x) = (x+2)/x, as well as their composite function g o f. Participants are exploring the implications of the functions' definitions and their restrictions.

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  • Participants discuss the domains of f and g, noting restrictions at x = -1 and x = 0. There is an exploration of the composite function g o f and its domain, with questions about the correctness of interpretations and methods for finding the range.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the domain of the composite function and the implications of simplifying expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of how to determine the range, with suggestions of graph sketching as a potential method.

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Participants are considering the restrictions imposed by the functions themselves and the composite function, questioning how these affect the overall domain and range. There is mention of LaTeX formatting for clarity in mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement



Given two functions f(x)=\frac{x}{x+1} , g(x)=\frac{x+2}{x}

(1) find the domain of f and g

so D_f all real x , [tex]x\neq -1[/tex]

D_g is all real x , [tex]x\neq 0[/tex]

(2) Find the composite function gf and state its domain and range

g o f = 3+ 2/x , then its domain would be all x , [tex]x\neq 0[/tex] , am i correct ?

What is the easiest way to find its range , graph sketching ?
 
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thereddevils said:

Homework Statement



Given two functions f(x)=\frac{x}{x+1} , g(x)=\frac{x+2}{x}
\frac{}{} is a LaTeX command, so needs to be inside [ tex] tags, like this:
[tex]f(x)=\frac{x}{x+1}[/tex]
[tex]g(x)=\frac{x + 2}{x}[/tex]
Double-click either one to see what I did.
thereddevils said:
(1) find the domain of f and g

so D_f all real x , [tex]x\neq -1[/tex]

D_g is all real x , [tex]x\neq 0[/tex]

(2) Find the composite function gf and state its domain and range

g o f = 3+ 2/x , then its domain would be all x , [tex]x\neq 0[/tex] , am i correct ?

What is the easiest way to find its range , graph sketching ?

Part 1 is right, but part 2 isn't. (g o f)(x) = g(f(x)) = [tex]g(1 + 2/x)[/tex]
Think about what g does to an input...
 
Mark44 said:
\frac{}{} is a LaTeX command, so needs to be inside [ tex] tags, like this:
[tex]f(x)=\frac{x}{x+1}[/tex]
[tex]g(x)=\frac{x + 2}{x}[/tex]
Double-click either one to see what I did.


Part 1 is right, but part 2 isn't. (g o f)(x) = g(f(x)) = [tex]g(1 + 2/x)[/tex]
Think about what g does to an input...

thanks Mark , but did u mean (g o f)(x)=g(x/(x+1)) ?

If so , i can see that g can take all real x , except for x=-1 from f and g itself has its own restriction so after combining , the domain of g o f would be all real x , except for x=-1 and x=0 .

Am i correct ? so i can apply this way of checking for all such questions ?

Also , what's the easiest way to find the range for this question ? I can sketch the graph but would it be tedious to do so ?
 
thereddevils said:
thanks Mark , but did u mean (g o f)(x)=g(x/(x+1)) ?
Yes, what you have is right. I mistakenly put in the formula for g(x), but meant to put in the formula for f(x).
thereddevils said:
If so , i can see that g can take all real x , except for x=-1 from f and g itself has its own restriction so after combining , the domain of g o f would be all real x , except for x=-1 and x=0 .
Right.
[tex]g(f(x)) = g\left(\frac{x}{x + 1}\right) = 1 + \frac{\frac{x}{x+1} + 2}{\frac{x}{x+1}}[/tex]
The last expression can be simplified, but it's OK for our purposes right now. That expression is undefined if x = -1, because the two denominators in the rational expressions in the main numerator and denominator will be zero. The expression is also undefined if x = 0, since that would make the rational expression in the main denominator zero.

If you simplify that latter expression by multiplying top and bottom by (x + 1)/x over itself, you get f(g(x)) = 3 + 2/x, so it's no longer obvious that x can't be -1, but the only way that simplification could occur is if x is neither -1 nor 0.
thereddevils said:
Am i correct ? so i can apply this way of checking for all such questions ?

Also , what's the easiest way to find the range for this question ? I can sketch the graph but would it be tedious to do so ?

Each of the graphs that make up the composite function is relatively easy to sketch. f(x) = x/(x + 1) = 1 - 1/(x + 1), by long division, and this is related to y = 1/x, but with a reflection and two translations, one horizontal and one vertical. Rf = {y | y != 1}.

g(x) = (x + 2)/x = 1 + 2/x, and this is also related to y = 1/x, with a stretch and a vertical translation. It turns out that Rg = {y | y != 1}.
 
Mark44 said:
Yes, what you have is right. I mistakenly put in the formula for g(x), but meant to put in the formula for f(x).
Right.
[tex]g(f(x)) = g\left(\frac{x}{x + 1}\right) = 1 + \frac{\frac{x}{x+1} + 2}{\frac{x}{x+1}}[/tex]
The last expression can be simplified, but it's OK for our purposes right now. That expression is undefined if x = -1, because the two denominators in the rational expressions in the main numerator and denominator will be zero. The expression is also undefined if x = 0, since that would make the rational expression in the main denominator zero.

If you simplify that latter expression by multiplying top and bottom by (x + 1)/x over itself, you get f(g(x)) = 3 + 2/x, so it's no longer obvious that x can't be -1, but the only way that simplification could occur is if x is neither -1 nor 0.


Each of the graphs that make up the composite function is relatively easy to sketch. f(x) = x/(x + 1) = 1 - 1/(x + 1), by long division, and this is related to y = 1/x, but with a reflection and two translations, one horizontal and one vertical. Rf = {y | y != 1}.

g(x) = (x + 2)/x = 1 + 2/x, and this is also related to y = 1/x, with a stretch and a vertical translation. It turns out that Rg = {y | y != 1}.

got it , thanks Mark , that helps a tons , appreciate that ! Have a nice day !
 

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