Raspberry Pi 5 Crashing: Wayland to X11?

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Users have reported performance issues with applications on the Raspberry Pi 5, particularly FLDIGI, which runs slowly compared to its performance on the Pi 4, and WSJTX, which has window management problems. A common solution suggested is switching from Wayland to X11, as applications like the screenshot tool scrot function better in X11. Wayland's design complicates screen capture for security reasons, leading to frustrations with certain applications. While there is a belief that X11 is becoming obsolete, it remains functional and widely used, with ongoing maintenance. The transition to Wayland is seen as inevitable, but many users still find X11 meets their needs. Discussions also touch on the historical context of X11's longevity and the Linux community's tendency to replace working systems with alternatives that may not offer significant improvements.
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Over the last few months I have had problems with certain applications on my Raspberry Pi 5. One application, FLDIGI, slowed the system to a crawl and was unuseable, although it ran well on a Pi 4. Another application, WSJTX, could not have its window resized or moved and would stubbornly superglue itself onto the middle of the screen.

Today I tried the screenshot program scrot (I know, terrible name) and it wouldn't work. Searching on this problem led me to a suggestion: switch back from Wayland to X11. (At this point I have only a vague idea what those are, except that they draw the windows and stuff on my screen).

The screen capture program began to work right away, and then I remembered the other two apps named above. Tried them out and lo and behold they are fine too.

Just thought I'd share this and maybe get your thoughts on this newfangled Wayland thing. And share this link: Wayland breaks everything!
 
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Swamp Thing said:
Over the last few months I have had problems with certain applications on my Raspberry Pi 5. One application, FLDIGI, slowed the system to a crawl and was unuseable, although it ran well on a Pi 4. Another application, WSJTX, could not have its window resized or moved and would stubbornly superglue itself onto the middle of the screen.
Have you downloaded (or built yourself) RPi5 (i.e. Bookworm) specific binaries for these apps?

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Today I tried the screenshot program scrot (I know, terrible name) and it wouldn't work.
Screen capture is harder in Wayland by design (for security reasons). Having said that, I believe scrot has a release for RPiOS Bookworm (I don't have one to try): again, are you sure you are using the right release?

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Just thought I'd share this and maybe get your thoughts on this newfangled Wayland thing.
No-one is working on X any more. OK that is a slight overstatement, but one day it will stop working. If you want to stick with it for now and put off the inevitable day then that's up to you, but it will keep getting harder to do that and easier to move to Wayland as time goes on.
 
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Wasn't X recently renamed Twitter?

X is 40 years old. Think about that for a moment. The amazing thing isn't that it's being replaced; it's that it hasn't happened sooner.
 
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Wasn't X recently renamed Twitter?

X is 40 years old. Think about that for a moment. The amazing thing isn't that it's being replaced; it's that it hasn't happened sooner.
IMO, Xorg (20 years old) is unlikely to replaced anytime soon because it is 40 years old and it works. Wayland, so far, is unnecessary for the vast majority of computing requirements on the desktop.

"No-one is working on X any more" Because they don't have to.
People are still fixing things in Xorg when they break but there almost no extra functionality to add for developers to bite at.

X11 will never truly die.
 
Is there any evidence that the Linux community can stand to leave well enough alone? They dumped a perfectly working cron (Paul Vixie's) for one that does the exact same thing.
 
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Is there any evidence that the Linux community can stand to leave well enough alone? They dumped a perfectly working cron (Paul Vixie's) for one that does the exact same thing.
None. They moved from a perfectly acceptable init system to the virus called, systemd.
I've moved all my new systems to Devuan from Debian to avoid the virus.
https://www.devuan.org/
 
Swamp Thing said:
Today I tried the screenshot program scrot (I know, terrible name) and it wouldn't work.

Today I learned that there is a scrot spinoff called escrotum. https://github.com/Roger/escrotum
 

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