Rate at which the distance from a plane to a station is increasing.

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a plane flying horizontally at a constant altitude and speed, specifically focusing on calculating the rate at which the distance from the plane to a radar station is increasing when the plane is a certain distance away. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and application of derivatives in a physics context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the mathematical relationship between the altitude, horizontal distance, and the distance to the radar station using the Pythagorean theorem.
  • Another participant questions the interpretation of the distance being referred to as either the horizontal distance or the slant range, noting that assumptions may vary among participants.
  • Several posts discuss the broader topic of measurement systems, with participants expressing opinions on the use of customary versus metric units in the context of the problem and education.
  • Some participants express frustration with the continued use of customary units in the U.S. and suggest that a shift to metric could alleviate confusion.
  • Others provide anecdotal evidence of gradual changes towards metric in specific industries, such as automotive and construction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the distance in the problem, with multiple competing views on whether it refers to horizontal distance or slant range. Additionally, there is a divergence of opinions regarding the use of measurement systems, with some advocating for a shift to metric and others defending the use of traditional measurements.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions of distance and the implications of using different measurement systems, which remain unresolved. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the specific mathematical steps needed to arrive at a solution.

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So a plane flying horizontally at an altitude of 1 mi and a speed of 50 mi/h passes directly over a radar station. Find the rate at which the distance from the plane to the station is increasing when it is 2 mi away from the station.
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Let [math]A[/math] be the altitude of the plane, which is 1 mi. Let [math]H[/math] be the horizontal distance from the plane to the station, which changes based on time. Let [math]D[/math] be the distance to the radar station.

The altitude and horizontal distance form a right triangle with the distance as the hypotenuse, so
[math]D = \sqrt{A^2 + H^2}[/math]

To find how fast the distance changes with time, take the derivative with respect to time [math]t[/math]. Also, note that [math]A[/math] never changes, so [math]dA/dt = 0[/math]

[math]\frac{dD}{dt} = \frac{1}{2}(A^2 + H^2)^{-\frac{1}{2}}(2H\frac{dH}{dt})[/math]

The question asks for the value of [math]\frac{dD}{dt}[/math] when [math]H[/math] is 2 miles, and [math]dH/dt[/math] is 50 mi / hr.
 
dinogal said:
So a plane flying horizontally at an altitude of 1 mi and a speed of 50 mi/h passes directly over a radar station. Find the rate at which the distance from the plane to the station is increasing when it is 2 mi away from the station.
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What do you mean by when it is 2 mi away from the station, is this the horizontal distance, or the slant range. As it is written the usual assumption would be slant range but I see that at least one other poster has assumed it is the plan range (horizontal distance).

CB

PS: To the USA in general , and partially to the UK for that matter, smarten up and stop using customary/imperial units, you only confuse yourselves when having to convert between customary units and metric.
 
CaptainBlack said:
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PS: To the USA in general , and partially to the UK for that matter, smarten up and stop using customary/imperial units, you only confuse yourselves when having to convert between customary units and metric.

I wish we would. I have hoped for this since the early 70s when a partial effort was made here, but I was a child at that time and I remember the prevailing attitude among the adults was that the metric system was somehow un-American (as if the system we do use is). Alas, the meager effort was abandoned, and we have been steadfastly stubborn ever since. Maybe another effort will be made here within the next century.
 
MarkFL said:
I wish we would. I have hoped for this since the early 70s when a partial effort was made here, but I was a child at that time and I remember the prevailing attitude among the adults was that the metric system was somehow un-American (as if the system we do use is). Alas, the meager effort was abandoned, and we have been steadfastly stubborn ever since. Maybe another effort will be made here within the next century.

The education system could make a start by not setting homework problems in customary units.

CB
 
The US is slowly moving in that direction. For instance, the size of engines is moving towards metric. They are measured in Litres instead of cubic inches many times now. My father is an elevator mechanic, and nearly all elevators parts are in metric now. He actually had to go out and buy a new set of tools because of this change. Believe me, we are moving that way... but half the battle is that we have had our units for a very long time now. Most of America would be confused as to units.
A very good example is speed, I know that 80kph is about 50mph... I believe... Most Americans would have no idea...
 
I see nothing wrong with a country using their traditional measurements
 

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