Real relativistic field and curvature?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a real relativistic field in a four-dimensional spacetime, particularly focusing on how displacing a point in the field affects the volume of an "anchored" membrane. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved in these changes and consider both massive and massless fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that displacing a point in a real field will change the volume of a three-dimensional "anchored" membrane, drawing analogies to one-dimensional strings and two-dimensional membranes.
  • Another participant suggests that the change in volume may depend on the radius of the volume around the displaced point.
  • There is a consideration of how the volume might change over time and space once the point is released.
  • A later post reiterates the initial questions for a massless real field, using the same displacement function.
  • One participant introduces a specific function, D(r), to model the displacement of the field as a function of radial distance, indicating a relationship between displacement and radial coordinates.
  • There is a mention of the radial component of the Laplacian operator acting on D(r) yielding a constant squared times D(r) for radial distances greater than a certain radius.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and considerations regarding the displacement and volume change, but no consensus is reached on the exact nature of these relationships or the mathematical formulations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the mathematics involved, particularly when considering fields with more than one spatial dimension, and the need to clarify assumptions regarding the displacement and its effects.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying relativistic fields, mathematical modeling of physical systems, or the properties of membranes in higher-dimensional spaces.

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Say we have a real field that satisfies:

E^2 = P^2 + m^2

Assume spacetime is 4D. Assume the field is at rest and grab a single point of this field and slowly displace it a distance x. Just as an anchored string (string with an additional sideways restoring force) with fixed end points will have its length change when a point is displaced and just as a two dimensional "anchored" membrane will change its area when a single point is displaced can we say that a 3 dimensional "anchored" membrane will change its volume if a single point is displaced a distance x? When I say "anchored" membrane it is the real relativistic field I am thinking of.

For small displacements, x, the change in volume is proportional to what power of x?

Thanks for any suggestions on how to solve this.
 
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I'm thinking the change in volume will also depend on the radius of volume around the point that is displaced?

Thanks for any help.
 
And then we would like to let the point go and picture volume changing with time and space. But first things first.
 
And then repeat all the above questions for a massless real field,

E^2 = P^2
 
Spinnor said:
Say we have a real field that satisfies:

E^2 = P^2 + m^2

Assume spacetime is 4D. Assume the field is at rest and grab a single point of this field and slowly displace it a distance x. Just as an anchored string (string with an additional sideways restoring force) with fixed end points will have its length change when a point is displaced and just as a two dimensional "anchored" membrane will change its area when a single point is displaced can we say that a 3 dimensional "anchored" membrane will change its volume if a single point is displaced a distance x? When I say "anchored" membrane it is the real relativistic field I am thinking of.

For small displacements, x, the change in volume is proportional to what power of x?

Thanks for any suggestions on how to solve this.

I have to think more clearly about grabbing a point of a field that has a space dimension greater then one.

So that the math does not blow up, for a field of three space dimensions we grab a small spherical shell of radius R, of the field. Now we can displace this shell a distance w in the tangent space of the field. Now I think we can try to calculate volume changes.

the following function may be useful,

D(r) = A*exp[-m*r]/r for r > or = R

r is the radial distance from the center of the displaced shell, D(r) is the displacement of the field as a function of the radial coordinate r, and A is chosen so that:

D(R) = A*exp[-m*R]/R = w

Thanks for any help.
 
Spinnor said:
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the following function may be useful,

D(r) = A*exp[-m*r]/r for r > or = R


...

Thanks for any help.

If I did the math right the radial component of the laplacian operator in spherical coordinates when operating on D(r) gives a constant squared times D(r) for r > R.

Thanks for any help!
 
Spinnor said:
And then repeat all the above questions for a massless real field,

E^2 = P^2

For a massless field use the function

D(r) = A*exp[-m*r]/r for r > or = R

and set m = 0
 

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