Realspace and redshift space correlation function questions

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The discussion revolves around the differences between the redshift space correlation function and the realspace correlation function, particularly why the former is smaller at small scales and larger at large scales. The scope includes theoretical aspects of correlation functions in astronomy and their mathematical representations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the redshift space correlation function is smaller than the realspace correlation function at small scales and larger at large scales.
  • Another participant requests a source that defines the correlations and illustrates the inequality mentioned.
  • A participant explains that the 2-point correlation function is the Fourier transform of the power spectrum and describes its definition in terms of the excess probability of finding galaxy pairs at a given separation.
  • This participant notes that they found a specific relationship between the correlation functions at different scales through their own analysis and references a paper for further reading.
  • Another participant offers a personal interpretation, suggesting that the observed differences may arise from nonlinear mappings when plotting density in different contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion does not reach a consensus, as participants express differing views and interpretations regarding the observed behaviors of the correlation functions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the correlation functions and the specific conditions under which the observed inequalities hold. The discussion also relies on the definitions and mathematical representations that may not be universally agreed upon.

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why is the redshift space correlation function smaller than the realspace correlation function at small scales and the opposite on large scales?
 
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could you give a link to some online source where the correlations are defined and this inequality is exhibited? that way everybody will know what you are talking about.
 
well the 2-point correlation function [tex]\xi[/tex](r) is simply the Fourier transform of the power spectrum and in astronomy it is defined as the excess probability of finding a pair of galaxies at separation r.
the correlation function can be separated into a function of 2 variables by decomposing r as r= sigma + pi which represent perpendicular and parallel to the line of sight respectively.

this paper goes over it a bit: http://iopscience.iop.org/0004-637X/479/1/82/pdf/0004-637X_479_1_82.pdf

i made a plot of \xi(r) vs logr and \xi(sigma,pi) vs logr and found that for small scales, the correlation function in redshift space was smaller than the correlation function in real space and the opposite was true for large scales. I was wondering why this was the case?
 
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for what it's worth here is my unauthoritative reaction (eventually someone else will reply, I expect).

I'd say, if I understand you, that this is the kind of thing that happens in all kinds of contexts whenever you have something like a density and you have two ways to plot it and a nonlinear map from one variable to the other.

Change of variable.
 

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