Reapplying to Engineering: Physics II, Calc II Or ODE?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the decision-making process for selecting two courses—Physics II, Calculus III, and Ordinary Differential Equations (ODE)—as part of reapplying to an engineering program. Participants share their experiences and perspectives on the difficulty and relevance of these courses, considering factors such as prior knowledge, personal challenges, and academic goals.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
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  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about which courses to choose, highlighting a need for an A- in both selected classes to boost their average.
  • Some participants mention that ODE is perceived as "easy," but acknowledge that this perception is subjective and varies based on individual experiences.
  • One participant describes the initial weeks of their ODE class as containing both easy and challenging concepts, emphasizing the importance of understanding integrating factors and mathematical modeling.
  • Another participant suggests that all engineering students should have a foundational knowledge of Calculus III and Physics II, arguing that ODE can be postponed if necessary.
  • The original poster reflects on their past struggles with integration and expresses a desire to regain academic momentum, noting their comfort with Linear Algebra and recent improvements in their studies.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for making simple mistakes in problem-solving, particularly in ODE, which adds to the original poster's anxiety about course selection.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing opinions on the relative difficulty and importance of the courses. While some advocate for taking Calculus III and Physics II, others highlight the subjective nature of course difficulty, particularly regarding ODE. No consensus is reached on the best course selection.

Contextual Notes

Participants' decisions are influenced by personal academic histories, current skill levels, and the perceived relevance of each course to their engineering discipline. The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence and preparedness among participants.

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Hello, I just came across this forum and thought of asking for advice! I am reapplying to Engineering and I am taking summer school (Full term) and need to take 2 more classes to boost my avg.

Right now, I am enrolled in Physics II, Calculus III, and ODE and I have to choose two out of the three.
I am reapplying to engineering and will need an A- in both classes.

I haven't taken physics for 3 years, and I'm not that great with integration at the moment. The ODE course I am taking also includes Numerical Methods.

I am curious to hear what experience people had with these classes. I've heard that ODE is "easy" however, saying something is easy is really subjective, and it gives me the impression someone is stroking their own ego.

I've taken time off school to work and my skills have weakened. This year I took Calculus II (B) Linear Algebra (C+) and Probability and Stats for Engs (C). The difficulty I had this year was with regaining my momentum and taking care of personal issues. I got screwed over on my finals so my marks took a huge hit. I should've received at the very least B+'s across the board. An unfortunate outcome, however, life is complicated.

This term my prof's seem to be equal in terms of teaching, and difficulty. Currently, I am keeping up with my classes and putting time into solve any problem. I hope this will bring me to some sort of conclusion.

I felt pretty comfortable with Linear Algebra working through proofs. I felt Linear Algebra is helping me to conceptualize physics problems, so that is a comforting thought. Last September I found Calculus to be a pain, but I have relearnt integration, so now I feel somewhat comfortable.

My current decision is: ODE and Calc III. I've regained my momentum and finally am up to speed with my academics. My ODE prof told me to keep ODE at the very least.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to read through this.

Experiences and thoughts are more than welcome.

Thanks.
 
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What type of engineering are you interested in? Structural, Environmental, electrical, chemical, mechanical, aeronautical, other??
 
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Derp215 said:
I've heard that ODE is "easy"

The first weeks of the class I'm taking involved some things that were easy and some things that were not easy. For example, one would need to be able to understand the concept of integrating factor by the product rule, and finding the roots of a characteristic quadratic polynomial. These things one should be able to do after Calculus I. Then you have mathematical modeling, which is difficult to get into at first, being used to just writing down numbers and equations and solving for a value. Basically, you must conceptualize a physical process by means of devising a differential equation, then solving for it. It's hard at first, but it's satisfying once you've figured out a formula for how much salt is in a saltwater tank after many hours of filling it with freshwater with a given rate of flow. I won't go into detail for the remainder of the course, mostly because I can't be bothered to explain it right now.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
What type of engineering are you interested in? Structural, Environmental, electrical, chemical, mechanical, aeronautical, other??
Thanks for the reply. Chemical.
 
Eclair_de_XII said:
The first weeks of the class I'm taking involved some things that were easy and some things that were not easy. For example, one would need to be able to understand the concept of integrating factor by the product rule, and finding the roots of a characteristic quadratic polynomial. These things one should be able to do after Calculus I. Then you have mathematical modeling, which is difficult to get into at first, being used to just writing down numbers and equations and solving for a value. Basically, you must conceptualize a physical process by means of devising a differential equation, then solving for it. It's hard at first, but it's satisfying once you've figured out a formula for how much salt is in a saltwater tank after many hours of filling it with freshwater with a given rate of flow. I won't go into detail for the remainder of the course, mostly because I can't be bothered to explain it right now.

I like the idea of using processes to solve problems, however I am nervous about falling into "traps" and making simple mistakes etc. etc.
Thank you for the description, I'm trying to develop some kind of perspective... I need to make up mind very soon!
 
I would suggest Calc III and Physics II. Every engineer regardless of discipline should have basic knowledge of those 3 Calculus courses and 2 Physics courses (mechanics, electricity, and magnetism). Neither is easy, but not of extreme difficulty. ODE can wait till later, if necessary to take it. You don't want to take Calc III and ODE at the same time.
 

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