Reasonable approach to learning mathematics? (Starting with logic.)

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The discussion revolves around the participant's approach to learning mathematics, particularly focusing on Mathematical Logic and its relevance to programming and future studies in science. The scope includes theoretical considerations, personal learning strategies, and the relationship between logic and mathematical understanding.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster expresses interest in learning Mathematical Logic to support their programming pursuits, particularly with Prolog, and questions whether starting with logic is beneficial for future studies in science.
  • Some participants suggest that while Mathematical Logic may not directly aid in learning mathematics, a basic understanding of reasoning principles is essential.
  • One participant emphasizes that mathematics relies more on imagination and visualization than on formal logic, although they acknowledge that individuals interested in logic often excel in mathematics.
  • The initial poster expresses uncertainty about their capability to learn from Hilbert's book, questioning whether it requires prior mathematical knowledge.
  • Another participant shares their experience of engaging with challenging texts, suggesting that even limited understanding can lead to greater comprehension in related subjects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit differing views on the utility of Mathematical Logic in learning mathematics. While some argue it may not be directly beneficial, others see value in its study for programming and intellectual growth. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to learning mathematics.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the prerequisites for understanding Hilbert's text and the depth of knowledge required to engage with Mathematical Logic effectively.

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Good evening,

I'd like some advice on my approach to learning mathematics (e.g. is this reasonable).

Right now I'm interested in computing. I understand basic algorithms such as how quick, heap, merge, insertion and bubble sort work. But that is the extent--I'd love to learn more about algorithms, computability and complexity topics.

My immediate interests are centered around learning Mathematical Logic for the Prolog programming language (which, from what I understand, is based on first-order predicate calculus). I'd like to work on some *very* minimal AI systems and other things that build directly on top of Mathematical Logic.

In 2-3 years time, I plan to pursue my interests in science. At that time I will focus on other areas such as calculus, algebra, differential equations, differential geometry, topology... (this is according to the curriculum for the programme I wish to enter).

Recalling that some great mathematicians attempted to axiomize the logic and suggest that everything comes from the foundations--mathematical logic and set theory--I wondered if it would be wise to start off with logic? Would it benefit me for my later studies (re: science). More importantly, would it make me much stronger with the math?

About me:
I have a background in programming. Not computer science. I have minimal exposure to algorithms and my bachelors program did not contain any math offerings. My math abilities end at the high school level.

So I would like to know whether or not it is a good idea to dabble with logic, algorithms, (and time permitting) computability and complexity theory and then to later (~2-3 years) try my hand at the other topics listed.

Is this a "sound" approach, or should I be doing it another way? I really have no concept of how difficult these topics are, so please enlighten me :biggrin:

Best regards and thanks for your thoughts.

P.S. How deep does the rabbit hole go with regard to the topic of Mathematical Logic?

(Can anyone recommend David Hilbert's Principles of Mathematical Logic ? I've managed to read the first 6 pages (of ~170) on Amazon and they are quite accessible--would it get very difficult after that? The TOC reads: I. The Sentential Calculus, II. The Calculus of Classes (Monadic Predicate Calculus), III. The Restricted Predicate Calculus, IV. The Extended Predicate Calculus.)
 
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mathematical logic is probably of no help in learning math at all, although basic understanding of principles of reasoning is essential.

for math about all the logic you need is when syllogisms are true, when false, what it means to combine statements by "and", "or", "implies", and what applying "not" does.

e.g. it is not true that A implies B, if and only if A is true and B is false.It is not true that "A and B", if and only if one or both of A,B is false. That kind of trivial thing. Math is mostly about imagination, analogy, generalization, specialization, ability to visualize, and computing power, not formal logic at all.But some people are very good at math and very interested in logic too. in fact people who liked logic tend to be among the smarter people i have known, and they were all very good at math.
 
Thanks, Mathwonk.

Even though it may be of no direct benefit to my later studies, I think I should enjoy this for my programming pursuits (re: prolog).

I'm just not confident on whether or not I am 'capable' of learning logic from Hilbert's book. The first six pages are quite accessible but whether or not it builds on other mathematical knowledge and expects the reader to be experienced... I do not know! :frown:
 
from my limited experience, whenever you try hard to read a master like hilbert, you always get something from it. even if you only make it through a few pages, you find out later that you understand more than other people who have studied writings of lesser mortals.

i remmber one day in grad school i went to the librarry to read zariski's paper on non singular points. it took me three hours or so to get through a page or two. i felt discouraged. but when i returned to class, i knew the answer to every question the lecturer posed, until he told me to stop answering as it was "obvious i knew the subject well".
 

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