Alien Worlds.... Alien Elements?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of "unobtanium" and the potential for alien elements or materials that could exist on other worlds. Participants explore the implications of these hypothetical materials in the context of science fiction, the periodic table, and the laws of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that while aliens might possess advanced materials like power crystals, they could lack elements such as uranium and plutonium, leading to potential trade scenarios.
  • Another participant questions the premise of asking about "impossible things" and suggests that the inquiry is inherently contradictory.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that the laws of physics are universal, implying that elements found on Earth would also be present on other planets, though their concentrations may vary.
  • One participant argues that any new elements would have to be synthesized and would likely be unstable, referencing the concept of an "island of stability" for higher atomic number elements.
  • Another comment references the historical claims about element 115 and its supposed unusual properties, noting that these claims were debunked when the element was synthesized.
  • A participant mentions a science fiction novel that explores similar themes, highlighting its narrative techniques and character perspectives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of alien materials and the implications of the laws of physics. There is no consensus on the feasibility of unobtanium or the existence of new elements beyond those on the periodic table.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the limitations of the discussion, particularly regarding assumptions about the universality of physical laws and the nature of hypothetical materials.

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The perodic table we learn in school. All the stuff on it is found on Earth, and some of it (not all of it) we can find on other worlds.

So it got me thinking, what about alien scifi worlds?

Unobtanium is a common scifi trope, and all too often scifi humans envy aliens having unobtanium.

But I thought it can and should... go both ways.

What I mean is... yeah, aliens might have power crystals that take months before melting while emitting fusion level energies.

Yet they may lack uranium and plutonium, and may have never made a nuke before. So they might want to trade their crystals for our uranium.

What kinds of unobtanium tropes could in theory be possible?

High energy yielding power crystals?

Superconducting magnetic liquids?
 
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Bab5space said:
What kinds of unobtanium tropes could in theory be possible?
You are asking a contradictory question. What impossible things are possible?
 
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Bab5space said:
What kinds of unobtanium tropes could in theory be possible?

As @anorlunda said, you are asking what imaginary things could you imagine.

However you might want to consider where on Mohs scale you want your story to sit, for a somewhat entertaining read, and links to piles of other info:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness
 
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Basically, the laws of physics apply the same everywhere. The same elements possible on the Earth will be possible on another planet. We've filled the periodic table up to element 118. Any "new" elements would have to have larger atomic numbers. The problem is, only the first 94 occur naturally, the rest had to be synthesized in particle accelerators. They also have short half-lives. While it is suggested that an "island of stability" might exist for higer atomic number elements, it really would just be an island of relative stability. Elements there would still be unstable, it just that their half-lives would be a bit longer than that for elements to either side of them.*
While another planet might have different concentrations of certain elements, And you might find a planet lacking in higher elements, You are not going to find one that has different elements to take their place.

The power crystal you mention would have to be a synthetic product of their own making. In other words, they would have had to have knowledge that made it possible to make that we don't have, and it would not have been a natural substance.( It also very likely is impossible to even synthesize.

If you try to assume that the laws of physics are completely different on that planet in order to allow such a natural substance, then it would be useless to us. If we tried to bring it to Earth, it would just quit working as our physical laws wouldn't allow for it. For that matter, even visiting the planet would not be a good idea, as the laws of physics there would not likely be the same as those needed to keep us alive.

* For a long while, and before it was actually synthesized, many UFO proponents claimed that alien spacecraft used element 115, which had unusual properties, for propulsion. When it was actually made, it turned out to be not unusual at all.
 
Janus said:
For a long while, and before it was actually synthesized, many UFO proponents claimed that alien spacecraft used element 115, which had unusual properties, for propulsion.

A miscommunication because our alien friends have 12 fingers.
 
Modesitt Jr. explored this concept in his novel, The Eternity Artefact. It's an excellent story on a number of levels, including being a masterclass in how to write clearly differentiated first-person points of view from multiple characters so each has their own distinct voice.
 

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