Recast of a conformal line element

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The discussion revolves around the recasting of a conformal line element as presented in Birrell and Davies' Quantum Field Theory on Curved Spacetime. Participants are examining the transformation of the line element from one form to another, specifically the implications of changing variables from time ##t## to conformal time ##\eta##, and the effects on the conformal factor ##a(t)##.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the line element can be rewritten using a change of variables from ##t## to ##\eta##, suggesting that substituting ##dt = a(\eta)d\eta## leads to the new form.
  • Others argue that the dependence of the conformal factor ##a(t)## on ##t## complicates the transformation, leading to confusion about whether ##a(t)## and ##a(\eta)## represent the same function.
  • One participant expresses concern that simply replacing ##t## with ##\eta## does not address the underlying changes in the conformal factor, suggesting that this leads to inconsistencies in the transformation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the relationship between ##t## and ##\eta## can be expressed as a function, which may allow for a valid change of variables, but this does not resolve the issue of the conformal factor's dependence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the transformation from the original line element to the new form is valid. There are competing views regarding the treatment of the conformal factor and the implications of changing variables.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions about the relationship between ##a(t)## and ##a(\eta)##, as well as the implications of changing variables on the overall structure of the line element.

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In Birrell an dDavies QFT on CS a rewrite of a conformal line element is done. But this recasting seems to me not to be correct.
Hello PhysicsForums-Readers,

On page 59 of Birrells and Davies QFT on CS, the line element ##ds^2 = dt^2 - a(t)^2 dx^2##, where ##a(t)## is some conformal factor defined as ##a({\eta}) = dt/d{\eta}##.
Then in 3.83 the equation is rewritten to ##ds^2 = a(\eta)^2 (d^2 \eta - dx^2)##. IMHO this cannot be true.
But how can the author recast eqaution 3.81 (mentioned above) to this one? maybe because the map is a conformal map??

Can anyone enlighten me on this rewrite? Thank you!
Silverwhale
 
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silverwhale said:
On page 59 of Birrells and Davies QFT on CS, the line element ##ds^2 = dt^2 - a(t)^2 dx^2##, where ##a(t)## is some conformal factor defined as ##a({\eta}) = dt/d{\eta}##.
No, ##\eta## is defined by this relation.
silverwhale said:
Then in 3.83 the equation is rewritten to ##ds^2 = a(\eta)^2 (d^2 \eta - dx^2)##. IMHO this cannot be true.
You just make a change of variables, instead of ##t## use ##\eta##. Substituting ##dt = a(\eta)d\eta## in the first equation, gives you this.
 
martinbn said:
No, ##\eta## is defined by this relation.

You just make a change of variables, instead of ##t## use ##\eta##. Substituting ##dt = a(\eta)d\eta## in the first equation, gives you this.
Thank you martinbn for your answer.

In page 59, the definition is ##d \eta = dt/a##, that I do know; from which ##a(\eta) * d\eta = dt## follows (which I wrote), right?

Before I start explaining my problem (I hope this time better), We should not forget that the factor ##a(t)## depends on the variable ##t## as does ##dt^2##.

Now, If we change the variable ##t## by ##\eta## in the line element, then we should get: $$ds^2 = d\eta^2 - a^2(\eta) dx^2.$$
That is not 3.83..

Next, If we subsitute in 3.81 ##dt## by ## a(\eta) d\eta##, then $$ ds^2 = a^2(\eta) d\eta^2 - a^2(t) dx^2.$$ the problematic factor ##a^2(t)## still appears.

Last, if we take each term by itself in 3.81 and make a change of variables just in the second term, and substitute in the first, then yes we get 3.83, but that contradicts IMHO the definition 3.81 of the conformal line element ##ds^2## where ##a(t)## changes, when ##dt## changes in the coordinate axis..
Finally, saying ##a(t)## is the same as ##a(\eta)## does not make sense to me as ##a## should note the same map..
Silverwhale
 
No, i am not saying replace the letter ##t## with the letter ##\eta##, that would be usleless. The relation ##d\eta=\frac{dt}a## gives you, if you integrate it, each of the ##t## and ##\eta## as a function of the other, say ##t=f(\eta)##. Then you make this change of variables. You keep the ##x## and you change ##t## to ##\eta## using ##t=f(\eta)##.
 
Yes, I do get your point.
But then, I get ##a(f(\eta))## which ist not equivalent (as a function) to ## a(\eta)## That is my problem. Both are called ##a##, but they are two different functions..
 

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