Inverting the metric coefficients in the Schwarzschild line element

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the manipulation of the Schwarzschild line element and the implications of inverting the metric coefficients. Participants explore the derivation of the Einstein tensor components and the differences between various tensor notations in general relativity, focusing on the Schwarzschild solution.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the inconsistency between the Einstein tensor components derived from two different forms of the Schwarzschild line element.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue may stem from an arithmetic error in the manipulation of the metric coefficients.
  • Several participants question the rationale behind inverting the metric coefficients and seek clarification on the intended outcome of this approach.
  • There is a discussion about the differences between covariant and contravariant tensor notations, particularly in the context of the Einstein tensor and the Ricci tensor.
  • Participants highlight that raising and lowering indices is a standard operation in tensor calculus, and both forms of the Einstein field equations are valid depending on the context.
  • One participant seeks to understand the relationship between the Ricci tensor and its inverse, raising questions about the terminology used in the discussion.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of reconciling the Einstein tensor components with the original Schwarzschild solution without metric inversion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of inverting the metric coefficients. There is no consensus on whether the approach taken by the original poster is correct or if it leads to valid results. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correctness of the derived expressions and the interpretation of tensor notations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves complex manipulations of tensor indices and the potential for arithmetic errors. The implications of changing metric coefficients and the proper use of covariant and contravariant notations are also highlighted as areas of concern.

  • #31
Bishal Banjara said:
"I want to know whether I am doing wrong though metric is independent to the final result or it doesn't reconcile, naturally", what should we be concluded?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

If you're asking whether what you did in the OP of this thread is correct, I have already said that it's wrong, and explained why. See my posts #10 and #11.

If you are asking whether you can obtain the inverse metric ##g^{\alpha \beta}## by raising both indexes on the metric ##g_{\alpha \beta}##, it should be obvious that you can't, since in order to raise indexes you need to already know the inverse metric ##g^{\alpha \beta}##. You obtain the inverse metric by considering the metric as a matrix and obtaining its matrix inverse.
 
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  • #32
PeterDonis said:
I'm not sure what you're asking.

If you're asking whether what you did in the OP of this thread is correct, I have already said that it's wrong, and explained why. See my posts #10 and #11.

If you are asking whether you can obtain the inverse metric ##g^{\alpha \beta}## by raising both indexes on the metric ##g_{\alpha \beta}##, it should be obvious that you can't, since in order to raise indexes you need to already know the inverse metric ##g^{\alpha \beta}##. You obtain the inverse metric by considering the metric as a matrix and obtaining its matrix inverse.
The only way I could make my question very simple, be like, what if inverting the metric coefficients ##g_{oo}## and ##g_{rr}## of the usual Schwarzschild solution for the final result calculation of Einstein's tensor components ##G_{oo}## and ##G_{rr}##? Does this final result after inverting the metrics coincide to the initial result of the original Schwarzschild solution?
 
  • #33
Bishal Banjara said:
inverting the metric coefficients ##g_{oo}## and ##g_{rr}##

Is a meaningless, wrong thing to do. It makes no sense.

Bishal Banjara said:
Does this final result after inverting the metrics coincide to the initial result of the original Schwarzschild solution?

No. It is just nonsense. See above.
 

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