Recoil velocity of atom interms of mass and energy

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the recoil velocity of an atom after it absorbs a photon. The original poster seeks to express this recoil velocity in terms of the energy of the photon and the rest mass of the atom.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the need to apply momentum conservation principles and relate kinetic energy to recoil energy. There are attempts to derive relationships between the momentum of the atom and the photon, as well as to clarify the definitions of momentum in this context. Some participants express confusion regarding the application of these concepts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various steps and equations they believe are relevant. Some guidance has been provided, but there is no explicit consensus on the approach or solution. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the role of energy conservation and the effects of photon momentum.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for confusion regarding the definitions of momentum and energy in the context of photon absorption. There is also mention of discrepancies between expected results and those found in reference materials.

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Homework Statement


I have a question to answer but am struggling to even start it. The question is basically an atom absorbs a photon (energy E), rest mass of atom is m, find recoil velocity in terms of E and m after absorption.


Homework Equations


i think i need th emomentum of the photon which i believe is p = m(rel) * c and rest mass of atom m = E/c^2 but that is as far as i get.


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Please see relevant equations above
 
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Hi,
I will tell you in small steps, so you can get the solution.
1)First find recoil energy (ER). It is just kinetic energy (KE). Use mass m and velocity v.
2)Now relate the equation in (1) to atom's momentum pa. a for atom.
3)What is the momentum of photon pp (subscript p for photon) with energy E (remember photon travels with speed of light c)?
4)Apply conservation of momentum, i.e. pp=pa.
5)When you apply and solve for ER you get ER in terms of energy E, m and c.
good luck.
 
Hi Rajini, I have tried to follow your simple steps but unfortunately am still baffled, I find it dificult to get my head around this type of problem!. What I have is
1) Er = 1/2mv^2
2) Pa = (M(atom) + M(photon))v(atom) - now not sure how to relate this with 1
3) Pp = gammaM(photon)V(photon)

Unfortunately that is it at the moment, my mind is blank!

I will keep plugging away but thanks for your help anyway.
 
Hi,
I have given you more details.
You can related step 2 to 1.
What is the formula for momentum ? and formula for momentum of photon ?
TIP: find momentum for atom and photon separately (dont add)
also 3. is wrong (photon has no mass) !
Please write what all you did?
 
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Hello, I am stuck on the same problem! But the answer given above does not work. Momentum is conserved, but mechanical energy is *not*, because the atom absorbs the energy and an electron jumps to a higher orbit in response. I assumed the Doppler effect for light was involved, and I got exactly double the result the book did (Bransden and Joachain, Chapter 1, problem 21.) I can't find the factor of two anywhere. I used an expansion of the square root and approximated.
 

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