Reconcile Geometric Form of Cross Product with Algebric Form

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The discussion focuses on proving the identity (A X B)·(A X B) = (AB)² - (A·B)², which is essential for establishing that the magnitude of the cross product A X B equals ABsinθ. Participants reference vector identities such as A·(B X C) = (A X B)·C and A X (B X C) = (A·C)B - (A·B)C. The conversation highlights the complexity of expanding these expressions into components, leading to confusion and the need for clarification on vector triple product notation.

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Basically, we have to prove that A X B is equal to ABsinθ

Now a crucial step towards the proof is proving that
(AXB).(AXB) is equal to (AB)2 - (A.B)2

After that it is fairly simple. But unfortunately, I can not prove the identity. I've tried expanding it into components but things are becoming messy. Any idea on how to prove this identity (namely : (AXB).(AXB)= (AB)2 - (A.B)2 ) ?

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nerdynoir said:
Basically, we have to prove that A X B is equal to ABsinθ

Now a crucial step towards the proof is proving that
(AXB).(AXB) is equal to (AB)2 - (A.B)2

After that it is fairly simple. But unfortunately, I can not prove the identity. I've tried expanding it into components but things are becoming messy. Any idea on how to prove this identity (namely : (AXB).(AXB)= (AB)2 - (A.B)2 ) ?

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I will assume you know the identities ##
A \cdot B \times C = A \times B \cdot C## (interchange of dot and cross) and ##A\times (B\times C) = (A\cdot C)B-(A\cdot C)B##.

$$\|A\times B\|^2=(A\times B)\cdot (A\times B) = A\cdot (B\times (A\times B))$$ $$
=A\cdot ((B\cdot B)A - (B\cdot A)B)= \|B\|^2\|A\|^2-(B\cdot A)(B\cdot A)$$
 
LCKurtz said:
I will assume you know the identities ##
A \cdot B \times C = A \times B \cdot C## (interchange of dot and cross) and ##A\times (B\times C) = (A\cdot C)B-(A\cdot C)B##.

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Hmm, thanks, :). That was short and sweet.

By the way, I guess you made a small typo(in the second term of the vector triple product.), it will be AX(BXC) = B(A.C)-C(A.B).
 
nerdynoir said:
Hmm, thanks, :). That was short and sweet.

By the way, I guess you made a small typo(in the second term of the vector triple product.), it will be AX(BXC) = B(A.C)-C(A.B).

Yes that was a typo. Unfortunately it's too late to correct it but that doesn't matter now anyway.
 

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