Recursive solution of determinants

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The discussion revolves around the recursive solution of determinants for a specific matrix defined by M_{ij} = A δ_{i,j} - B δ_{i,j-1} - C δ_{i,j+1}. Participants explore the derivation of the determinant D_N and the form of its solution, including initial conditions and the method of solving recurrence relations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the matrix and the recursive relation for its determinant, D_N = A D_{N-1} - B C D_{N-2.
  • Another participant notes the assumption of a solution of the form D_N = λ^N and identifies the roots λ_{±} = (A ± √(A² - 4BC)) / 2.
  • Initial conditions D_1 = A and D_2 = A² - BC are mentioned as critical for finding the general solution.
  • A participant questions the final form of the solution D_N and expresses confusion about its derivation.
  • Another participant suggests that the solution can be expressed in a form consistent with the general method for solving recurrence relations, providing a specific expression for D_N.
  • A later reply acknowledges the oversight in understanding the solution's form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of solving the recurrence relation, but there is some confusion regarding the specific form of the solution and its derivation.

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There may be limitations related to the assumptions made in deriving the recurrence relation and the specific forms of the solutions, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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Hi,

I'm reading a paper where the determinant of the following matrix is solved for using some kind of recurisve method.

The matrix is given by [tex]M_{ij} = A \delta_{i,j} - B \delta_{i,j-1} - C \delta_{i,j+1}[/tex], with [tex]i,j = 1...N[/tex] and are NOT cyclic.

The author sets [tex]D_N = \texttt{det}\[M_{(N)}\][/tex] and writes the equation

[tex]D_N = A D_{N-1} - B C D_{N-2}[/tex],

assumes a solution of the form [tex]D_N = \lambda ^N[/tex] and finds two solutions,

[tex]\lambda_{\pm} = (A \pm \sqrt{A^2 - 4 B C}) / 2[/tex].


He then notes the initial conditions of [tex]D_1 = A[/tex] and [tex]D_2 = A^2 - B C[/tex] and says that the answer is therefore

[tex]D_N = \frac{\lambda_{+}^{N+1} - \lambda_{-}^{N+1}}{\lambda_{+} - \lambda_{-}}[/tex].


It's the very last step I don't understand, how did he find [tex]D_N[/tex]?

Thanks
 
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After a bit of search I see that the method to solve this kind of recurrence relations is to assume a solution of the form [tex]A \lambda_1^N + B \lambda_2^N[/tex] and find A and B from the initial conditions. However this is not exactly the form of the solution here... how come?
 
Why isn't it?
[tex]D_N= \frac{\lambda_+}{\lambda_+-\lambda_-}\lambda_+^n+ \frac{-1}{\lambda_-(\lambda_+-\lambda_-)}\lambda_-^n[/tex]
is exactly of the form you give.
 
Yes that would be correct, a bad case of dullness. Thanks.
 

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