Redox Reactions: Loss and Gain of Electrons

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The discussion revolves around the nature of redox reactions, specifically the definitions of oxidation and reduction, and whether all chemical reactions can be classified as redox reactions due to electron transfer. Participants explore the implications of electron movement in various types of reactions and the limitations of definitions found in sources like Wikipedia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines a redox reaction as one that involves both reduction (gain of electrons) and oxidation (loss of electrons), questioning if all reactions are redox reactions due to electron transfer.
  • Another participant agrees that electrons are always moving in reactions but notes the ambiguity in attributing electron loss or gain to specific atoms within molecules.
  • A different participant challenges the idea that all reactions are redox by citing examples of reactions classified as redox that do not involve electron transfer, referencing Wikipedia.
  • One participant critiques Wikipedia's explanation, arguing that it conflates redox processes with changes in oxidation numbers, which are not directly measurable but rather calculated, suggesting that this leads to misinterpretations of what constitutes a redox reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether all reactions can be classified as redox reactions, with some asserting that electron transfer is fundamental to all reactions, while others argue that certain reactions do not fit this classification. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in definitions and the ambiguity surrounding oxidation numbers and electron transfer, indicating that the understanding of redox reactions may depend on specific interpretations and contexts.

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Not particually a paradox, just liked the word play. Anyway...

The definition of a redox reaction is a reaction with both reduction and oxidation. As we know, oxidation is loss, reduction is gain of electrons. So redox is a reaction with both loss and gain of reaction.

Does it follow that every single reaction in the universe is a redox reaction, since a reaction is the transfer of electrons?

Are there any reactions that don't involve the movement of electrons?
 
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Every reaction means electrons are moving, no doubt about it. However, it is not always clear to which atom they belong in a molecule (it is safer to think about them being shared), so it is not always easy to say "this atom lost an electron", "this atom gained an electron".
 
Does it follow that every single reaction in the universe is a redox reaction, since a reaction is the transfer of electrons?

but there are many reactions that are classed as "redox" even though no electron transfer occurs (such as those involving covalent bonds) -Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redox"
 
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This is one of these cases when wiki fails to explain things properly.

Wiki combines redox processes with change in oxidation number. That's where the problem starts. Oxidation numbers are not combined with any existing property of the matter, you can't measure oxidation number. You can only calculate it, using set of rules. And the problem here is that these rules were designed for a "charge accounting". They do give correct results when you trace the charges, but the underlying principle is charge conservation, not oxidation numbers which are just an accounting device.

When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. When you use oxidation numbers every reaction looks like a redox.
 

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