Redshifts of galaxies and the expansion of the universe

In summary, the wavelength of a photon emitted in a supernova becomes larger as it travels to Earth due to the redshifting process, which causes the photon to lose energy as space expands. This lost energy does not contribute to the expansion of the universe and is not always conserved in General Relativity. Conservation laws depend on symmetries, and without time-translation symmetry, there can't be energy conservation. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to ask where the lost energy went.
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kent davidge
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(Sorry for my poor English.) I was watching a PBS video on expansion of the universe and the guy says the wavelength of a photon emitted in a supernova becomes larger as it travels to the Earth. Is it because the photon lose energy (to space)?
If so, is that energy contributing to the expansion of the universe?
 
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kent davidge said:
If so, is that energy contributing to the expansion of the universe?
No, it's just lost.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
No, it's just lost.
What about the conservation of energy?
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Energy is not (always) conserved in General Relativity. The pages below have good layman-oriented explanations of the why.
http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/energy_gr.html

Good material. But I still can't understand some things.

From http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/:
"The thing about photons is that they redshift, losing energy as space expands. If we keep track of a certain fixed number of photons, the number stays constant while the energy per photon decreases, so the total energy decreases."

Where goes this lost energy?

From http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/GR/energy_gr.html:

"The Cosmic Background Radiation (CBR) has red-shifted over billions of years. Each photon gets redder and redder. What happens to this energy?"

I didnt understand what really happens.
 
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kent davidge said:
Where goes this lost energy?
Nowhere. It is just lost.

Conservation laws depend on symmetries. If there's no time-translation symmetry (as with the expanding universe), there can't be energy conservation, so it doesn't make sense to ask where it went - why would it need go somewhere if there is no conservation law?
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Nowhere. It is just lost.

Conservation laws depend on symmetries. If there's no time-translation symmetry (as with the expanding universe), there can't be energy conservation, so it doesn't make sense to ask where it went - why would it need go somewhere if there is no conservation law?
I understood it now. Thank you.
 

1. What is redshift and how does it relate to the expansion of the universe?

Redshift is a phenomenon in which light from an object appears to be shifted towards longer (redder) wavelengths. This is caused by the expansion of the universe, as the space between galaxies is stretching, causing the light to appear stretched out. The amount of redshift can provide information about how fast the object is moving away from us and the rate of expansion of the universe.

2. How do scientists measure the redshift of galaxies?

Scientists measure the redshift of galaxies by using a tool called a spectrometer, which separates light into its different wavelengths. By analyzing the spectrum of light from a galaxy, scientists can determine the amount of redshift and use it to calculate the galaxy's distance and velocity.

3. What is the significance of the redshift value in understanding the age and size of the universe?

The redshift value is crucial in understanding the age and size of the universe because it provides evidence for the expansion of the universe. The higher the redshift value, the further away the object is and the longer its light has been traveling towards us. This allows scientists to estimate the age of the universe and its rate of expansion.

4. Can redshifts of galaxies change over time?

Yes, redshifts of galaxies can change over time. This is because the expansion of the universe is not constant and can fluctuate due to the influence of dark matter and dark energy. However, the change in redshifts is usually very small and not noticeable on a human timescale.

5. How does the concept of the expanding universe support the Big Bang theory?

The expanding universe is a key piece of evidence that supports the Big Bang theory. As the universe expands, it also cools down, which matches the predictions of the Big Bang theory. Additionally, the redshift of galaxies provides evidence for the universe's expansion from a single, dense point in the past, which is a fundamental aspect of the Big Bang theory.

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