Reducing Quadratic Form to Principle Axes

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The discussion revolves around finding an orthogonal transformation that reduces a given quadratic form to its principal axes. Participants explore methods for achieving this reduction, including the use of eigenvalues and eigenvectors associated with the transformation matrix.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method for reducing the quadratic form and requests feedback on its correctness and potential alternative methods.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the initial approach and discusses the eigenvalues and eigenvectors of the associated matrix, noting that the transformation matrix must include these vectors.
  • Some participants debate the representation of the eigenvectors in the transformation matrix, with one suggesting that the rows of the matrix correspond to the eigenvectors, while another initially disagrees but later acknowledges a mistake.
  • There is a discussion about whether the orthogonal transformation matrix can be derived solely from the eigenvectors, even if the principal axes formula is not found.
  • One participant clarifies their use of the quadratic form to derive the orthogonal transformation matrix, reiterating the matrix they have proposed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the eigenvalues and the relationship between the transformation matrix and the eigenvectors. However, there is some disagreement regarding the specific representation of these vectors in the transformation matrix, and the discussion remains unresolved on whether alternative methods exist.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the transformation process and the specific definitions of the eigenvectors used by participants. The discussion also highlights the potential for multiple valid representations of the transformation matrix.

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Readers interested in linear algebra, quadratic forms, and orthogonal transformations may find this discussion relevant, particularly those exploring methods for reducing quadratic forms in mathematical contexts.

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Hi everyone, :)

Here's a question with the summary of my method of how to solve it. I would really appreciate if you could go through it and let me know if there are any mistakes with my approach. Also are there any easier methods?

Problem:

Find an orthogonal transformation that reduces the following quadratic form to the principal axes.

\[q(x_1,\,x_2,\,x_3)=6x_{1}^{2}+5x_{2}^{2}+7x_{3}^{2}-4x_1 x_2+4x_1 x_3\]

Solution:

We reduce this to get rid of the cross terms as explained >>here<<.

\[q(x_1,\,x_2,\,x_3)=3\left(\frac{2x_1+2x_2-x_3}{3}\right)^2+9\left(\frac{-2x_1+x_2-2x_3}{3}\right)^2+6\left(\frac{-x_1+2x_2+2x_3}{3}\right)^2\]

So the matrix of the orthogonal transformation will be,

\[\begin{pmatrix}\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&-\frac{1}{3}\\-\frac{2}{3}&\frac{1}{3}&-\frac{2}{3}\\-\frac{1}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}\end{pmatrix}\]

Am I correct? :)
 
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Sudharaka said:
Hi everyone, :)

Here's a question with the summary of my method of how to solve it. I would really appreciate if you could go through it and let me know if there are any mistakes with my approach. Also are there any easier methods?

Problem:

Find an orthogonal transformation that reduces the following quadratic form to the principal axes.

\[q(x_1,\,x_2,\,x_3)=6x_{1}^{2}+5x_{2}^{2}+7x_{3}^{2}-4x_1 x_2+4x_1 x_3\]

Solution:

We reduce this to get rid of the cross terms as explained >>here<<.

\[q(x_1,\,x_2,\,x_3)=3\left(\frac{2x_1+2x_2-x_3}{3}\right)^2+9\left(\frac{-2x_1+x_2-2x_3}{3}\right)^2+6\left(\frac{-x_1+2x_2+2x_3}{3}\right)^2\]

So the matrix of the orthogonal transformation will be,

\[\begin{pmatrix}\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&-\frac{1}{3}\\-\frac{2}{3}&\frac{1}{3}&-\frac{2}{3}\\-\frac{1}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}\end{pmatrix}\]

Am I correct? :)

Yes, it is correct! :cool:

The eigenvalues of the matrix A (from your reference) are 3, 6, and 9, with corresponding eigenvectors (-2,-2,1), (-1,2,2), (2,-1,2).
As expected these are orthogonal (since the spectral theorem for real symmetric matrices applies).

So the orthogonal transformation matrix must contain these 3 vectors (normalized to unit length and possible negative) in an arbitrary order.
Your matrix does not contain them as column vectors.

Of course it's also possible you have specified the other orthogonal transformation matrix, which is the inverse, and since it's orthogonal, the transpose.
And yes, they do correspond! :D
 
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I like Serena said:
I think it is almost correct. :o
The eigenvalues of the matrix A (from your reference) are 3, 6, and 9, with corresponding eigenvectors (-2,-2,1), (-1,2,2), (2,-1,2).
As expected these are orthogonal (since the spectral theorem for real symmetric matrices applies).

So the orthogonal transformation matrix must contain these 3 vectors (normalized to unit length and possible negative) in an arbitrary order.
However, your matrix does not seem to contain them as column vectors.

Of course it's also possible you have specified the other orthogonal transformation matrix, which is the inverse, and since it's orthogonal, the transpose.
Then I would expect the rows to match with the eigenvectors.
But that is also not the case...

I think the rows do match with your eigenvectors aren't they? But note that I have taken the eigenvectors as, (2,2,-1), (-2,1,-2) and (-1,2,2) which is essentially the same thing. Isn't? :)
 
Sudharaka said:
I think the rows do match with your eigenvectors aren't they? But note that I have taken the eigenvectors as, (2,2,-1), (-2,1,-2) and (-1,2,2) which is essentially the same thing. Isn't? :)

I had just noticed my mistake, and I had already edited my previous post.
So yes, it is correct!
 
I like Serena said:
I had just noticed my mistake, and I had already edited my previous post.
So yes, it is correct!

Thanks very much for the confirmation. :) That means even if I didn't find the principle axes formula I would have still obtained the orthogonal transformation matrix by considering the eigenvectors of the matrix \(A\) where \(q=z^t A z\). Isn't?
 
Sudharaka said:
Thanks very much for the confirmation. :) That means even if I didn't find the principle axes formula I would have still obtained the orthogonal transformation matrix by considering the eigenvectors of the matrix \(A\) where \(q=z^t A z\). Isn't?

Which formula did you want to find?

You've ascertained that $q(\mathbf x)=1$ is an ellipsoid centered at the origin, with axes that are aligned with the eigenvectors, and that have half-axis-lengths of respectively $1/\sqrt 3$, $1/\sqrt 6$, and $1/3$.
See the wiki article Quadric.

What more did you want to find?
 
I like Serena said:
Which formula did you want to find?

You've ascertained that $q(\mathbf x)=1$ is an ellipsoid centered at the origin, with axes that are aligned with the eigenvectors, and that have half-axis-lengths of respectively $1/\sqrt 3$, $1/\sqrt 6$, and $1/3$.
See the wiki article Quadric.

What more did you want to find?

I am sorry, what I meant was, I used,

\[q(x_1,\,x_2,\,x_3)=3\left(\frac{2x_1+2x_2-x_3}{3}\right)^2+9\left(\frac{-2x_1+x_2-2x_3}{3}\right)^2+6\left(\frac{-x_1+2x_2+2x_3}{3}\right)^2\]

to get the orthogonal transformation. Since,

\[\begin{pmatrix}y_1\\y_2\\y_3\end{pmatrix}= \begin{pmatrix}\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&-\frac{1}{3}\\-\frac{2}{3}&\frac{1}{3}&-\frac{2}{3}\\-\frac{1}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}x_1\\x_2\\x_3\end{pmatrix}\]

I knew that the orthogonal transformation should be,

\[\begin{pmatrix}\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&-\frac{1}{3}\\-\frac{2}{3}&\frac{1}{3}&-\frac{2}{3}\\-\frac{1}{3}&\frac{2}{3}&\frac{2}{3}\end{pmatrix}\]
 

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