Reduction of Order For Recursions

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The discussion revolves around recursion relations and their terminology, specifically exploring the concepts of recursion and recurrence relations, as well as finite difference calculus. Participants share their understanding and experiences with these topics, touching on both theoretical and practical aspects.

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  • One participant introduces recursion relations with examples, including a simple arithmetic series and the Fibonacci series, suggesting a desire to derive a formula for Fibonacci numbers.
  • Another participant questions the terminology, stating a preference for "recurrence relation" over "recursion relation" and "finite difference calculus" over "difference calculus."
  • A later reply acknowledges the use of both terms but expresses uncertainty about standard terminology, citing limited experience with recurrence relations and finite difference calculus.
  • Links to external resources on finite difference calculus are shared, indicating a willingness to explore further information.

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Participants express differing preferences for terminology, indicating a lack of consensus on the terms "recursion relation" versus "recurrence relation" and "difference calculus" versus "finite difference calculus." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the standard usage of these terms.

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Participants' understanding of the terms appears to depend on their educational background and personal experiences, leading to potential variations in definitions and applications. There is also a mention of gaps in available resources on finite difference calculus.

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This is not meant as a full introduction to recursion relations but it should suffice for just about any level of the student.
Most of us remember recursion relations from secondary school. We start with a number, say, 1. Then we add 3. That gives us 4. Now we that number and add 3 again and get 7. And so on. This process creates a series of numbers ##\{ 1, 4, 7, 10, \dots \}##. Once we get beyond that stage we start talking about how to represent these. Well, let’s call the starting number ##a_0##. Then the next number in the series would be ##a_1##, then ##a_2##, …, on to ##a_n## where n is the nth number in the series. We may now express our recursion as a rule: ##a_{n +1} = a_n + 3##, where ##a_0 = 1##.
We may go much further. We can talk about things like the Fibonacci series: ##F_{n + 2} = F_{n + 1} + F_{n}##, where ##F_1 = F_2 = 1##. This is the famous series ##\{ 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, \dots \}##. But what if we want a formula to find out what ##F_n## is for the nth number...

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topsquark said:
Is the term "recursion relation" in common use? I would call it a "recurrence relation".

Also I would say "finite difference calculus" instead of "difference calculus".
 
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pbuk said:
Is the term "recursion relation" in common use? I would call it a "recurrence relation".

Also I would say "finite difference calculus" instead of "difference calculus".
Sorry! As I understand it both terms (the recursive and finite difference) are in use. However, the only work I've done with recurrence relations comes from High School and I couldn't really find much on the web about finite difference calculus. I had to fill in a lot of gaps to do this, so I may not be using standard terminology.

-Dan
 

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