Relative Velocity coordinate system

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The discussion revolves around the concept of relative velocity in different coordinate systems, specifically addressing how to determine the velocity of a point observed in one coordinate system relative to another that is displaced by a variable distance. The problem includes scenarios involving particles moving in circular motion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between velocities in different frames, questioning the correctness of derived equations and the application of vector addition. There is discussion on how to express the velocities of particles moving in circular motion relative to each other.

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Some participants have provided guidance on vector relationships and differentiation, while others are verifying the correctness of specific expressions for velocity. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the circular motion of particles.

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There is an assumption that the distance R can change over time, which may affect the calculations. Additionally, the discussion highlights the importance of correctly applying vector notation and differentiation in the context of relative motion.

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(a) A point is observed to have velocity v_A relative to coordinate system A. What is its velocity to coordinate system B which is displaced from system A by distance R? (R can change in time)

I think its v_B = v_A - \frac{dR}{dt}. But I am not completely sure why this is the case.

(b) Particles a and b move in opposite directions around a circle with angular speed \omega, as shown. At t = 0 they are both at the point r = l \bold{j}, where l is the radius of the circle. Find the velocity of a relative to b.

So v_B = v_A - \frac{dR}{dt}

= (\sin t \bold{i }+ \cos t \bold{j)} \omega - (\cos t \bold{i} - \sin t \bold{j}).

Is this correct?
 
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Ra = R +Rb, by vector addition, where Ra is the posn vector of the pt wrt frame A, Rb is the posn vector of the pt wrt frame B and R is the posn vector of the origin of frame B wrt A. So, differentiating,

Va = dR/dt + Vb, which is what you've got.

An easier way to remember is that V_a/b = Va –Vb, where the latter velos are wrt the same frame, and V_a/b represents velo of point a wrt point b. This is a vector eqn.

Ra = l*[sin(wt) i + cos(wt) j], if a is moving clockwise.
Rb = l*[-sin(wt) i + cos(wt) j], if b is moving counter-clockwise.

You can now take the time derivatives, apply the formula, and see if the result tallies with your answer.
 
So v_B = -l \omega \cos \omega t \bold{i} - \omega \sin \omega t \bold{j}.

Is this correct?
 
'l' is missing in the 2nd term, otherwise it's correct.
 

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