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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a block and a cylinder, focusing on their motion and the forces acting on them. The context includes concepts from dynamics and kinematics, particularly relating to friction and acceleration.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the block and the cylinder, questioning the assumptions about their accelerations and the effects of friction. There are attempts to clarify the conditions of the problem, including the mass of the cylinder and its initial state.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the completeness of the problem statement and the implications of the block's constant velocity on the cylinder's motion. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for specific information, such as the mass of the cylinder.

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Participants note that the problem lacks information about the mass of the cylinder initially, which is crucial for understanding the dynamics involved. The cylinder is stated to start from rest, but its mass is only clarified later in the discussion.

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The picture shows a block of ##m=2 kg## which moves along a cylinder with constant velocity ##1 \frac{m}{s}## relative to Earth due to the force applied in the photo. The coefficient of dynamic friction between the cylinder and the block is ##0.3## and ##0## between the cylinder and the Earth. Determine the distance with respect to the Earth that the block should move so that it moves ##0.05 m## with respect to the cylinder which was static at first.
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Newton's equations
I called the block ##A## and ##B## the cylinder. For ##A##, in the non inertial system I wrote
##x) Fr_d -F=0##
##y) R-W_1=0##
Where ##Fr_d## is the kinetic friction and ##R## the normal force on ##A##

Then, I know that:
##a_{B/A}=a_B-a_A##
##0=a_B -a_A##
##a_A=a_B##

##v_{B/A}=v_B-v_A##
##v_{B/A}=v_B-(-1;0)##

But if the velocity of ##A## is constant, then it has no acceleration and so ##a_B=0## and then ##x_A=-t## so I just have to replace with ##-0.05##
 

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The question seems incomplete.
No mass is specified for the cylinder. If massless it will move with the block.
Even if it has a known mass, the only horizontal force is the friction from the block, so it will accelerate until it matches the block's speed, so we need to be told e.g. that the cylinder starts at rest.
 
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haruspex said:
The question seems incomplete.
No mass is specified for the cylinder. If massless it will move with the block.
Even if it has a known mass, the only horizontal force is the friction from the block, so it will accelerate until it matches the block's speed, so we need to be told e.g. that the cylinder starts at rest.
It does say that the cylinder starts at rest. The last sentence states "the cylinder which was static at first"
 
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It does say that the cylinder starts at rest. The last sentence states "the cylinder which was static at first"
Ah, yes... but you still need the mass of the cylinder.
 
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haruspex said:
Ah, yes... but you still need the mass of the cylinder.
My bad, I didn't write it. It says its mass is ##4 kg##
 
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My bad, I didn't write it. It says its mass is ##4 kg##
Ok.
So in post #1, why have you written that the two objects have the same acceleration?
 
haruspex said:
Ok.
So in post #1, why have you written that the two objects have the same acceleration?
Bevause it says that the block has constant velocity so it has no acceleration
 
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Bevause it says that the block has constant velocity so it has no acceleration
What has that got to do with whether the block and the cylinder have the same acceleration? The cylinder starts from rest, so it accelerates.
 

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