Relatively Open Sets .... Stoll, Theorem 3.1.16 (a) ....

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The discussion revolves around proving a specific theorem from Manfred Stoll's book, "Introduction to Real Analysis," particularly Theorem 3.1.16. The focus is on demonstrating that if a subset \( U \) is defined as the intersection of a set \( X \) and an open subset \( O \) of \( \mathbb{R} \), then \( U \) is open in \( X \). The conversation includes attempts at formal proof and clarification of the steps involved.

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  • Peter seeks assistance in proving that if \( U = X \cap O \) for some open subset \( O \) of \( \mathbb{R} \), then \( U \) is open in \( X \).
  • Peter outlines his initial thoughts, indicating that for every \( p \in U \), there exists \( \epsilon > 0 \) such that \( N_{\epsilon}(p) \cap X \subset U \).
  • Participants suggest using the fact that \( N_{\epsilon}(p) \subset O \) to establish a relationship between \( N_{\epsilon}(p) \cap X \) and \( U \).
  • Peter proposes that since \( N_{\epsilon}(p) \subset O \), it follows that \( N_{\epsilon}(p) \cap X \subset U \), seeking confirmation on this reasoning.
  • Confirmation is provided by other participants that Peter's reasoning is correct.

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Participants generally agree on the steps taken in the proof, with no significant disagreements noted. The discussion appears to reach a consensus on the correctness of the reasoning presented.

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There may be limitations regarding the assumptions made about the sets involved and the definitions of open sets in the context of the theorem. Specific mathematical steps leading to the conclusion are not fully detailed.

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I am reading Manfred Stoll's book: Introduction to Real Analysis.

I need help with Stoll's proof of Theorem 3.1.16

Stoll's statement of Theorem 3.1.16 and its proof reads as follows:
View attachment 9514Can someone please help me to demonstrate a formal and rigorous proof of the following:If $$U = X \cap O$$ for some open subset $$O$$ of $$\mathbb{R}$$ ...

... then ...

... the subset $$U$$ of $$X$$ is open in $$X$$ ...
Help will be much appreciated ...
My thoughts so far as as follows:

Suppose $$U = X \cap O$$ for some open subset $$O$$ of $$\mathbb{R}$$ ...Need to show $$U$$ is open in $$X$$ ... that is for every $$p \in U$$ there exists $$\epsilon \gt 0$$ such that $$N_{ \epsilon } (p) \cap X \subset U$$ ... ... Now ... let $$p \in U$$ ...

then $$p \in O$$ ...

Therefore there exists $$\epsilon \gt 0$$ such that $$N_{ \epsilon } (p) \subset O$$ ... since $$O$$ is open ...BUT ...

... how do I proceed from here ... ?

Hope someone can help ...

Peter
 

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Hi Peter,

Everything looks good so far. From here, what can be said about $N_{\epsilon}(p)\cap X$?
 
GJA said:
Hi Peter,

Everything looks good so far. From here, what can be said about $N_{\epsilon}(p)\cap X$?
Hi GJA ...

Still perplexed ... can you help further...

Peter
 
Hi Peter,

Think about trying to use $N_{\epsilon}(p)\subset O$ and use that fact to get a set "inequality" for $N_{\epsilon}(p)\cap X$.
 
GJA said:
Hi Peter,

Think about trying to use $N_{\epsilon}(p)\subset O$ and use that fact to get a set "inequality" for $N_{\epsilon}(p)\cap X$.

Thanks GJA ...

I think the argument you're suggesting is as follows:

We have $N_{\epsilon}(p)\subset O$

So therefore $$N_{\epsilon}(p) \cap X \subset O \cap X$$ ...

... that is $$N_{\epsilon}(p) \cap X \subset U$$ ... as required ...Is that correct?

Peter
 
Yes, this is correct. Nicely done.
 
GJA said:
Yes, this is correct. Nicely done.
Thanks for all your help, GJA ...

It is much appreciated...

Peter
 

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