Relativistic Momentum: Force Accelerating a proton

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to accelerate a proton at a relativistic speed of 0.9c with an acceleration of 1019 m/s2. The problem involves concepts of relativistic momentum and the associated equations of motion.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between force, momentum, and relativistic effects. There are attempts to derive expressions for force using the momentum equation and its time derivative. Some participants question the correctness of their calculations and results.

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Several participants have contributed calculations and interpretations of the equations involved. While there is a sense of progress with numerical results being shared, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the final answer. The discussion appears to be ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

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Homework Statement



Find the force necessary to give a proton an acceleration of 10^19m/s^2 when the proton has a velocity ( along the same direction as the force) of 0.9c

Homework Equations



p=gamma * m * U

F = d/dt [gamma * M * U]

F=gamma^3 *m*a

The Attempt at a Solution



initial momentum = 1/(sqrt(1-0.9c^2/c^2)) * 1.67*10^-27kg * 0.9c = 1.03 *10^-18
 
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hang on, relief is on its way, I will do it by tonight MST (but I stay up till at least 3 a.m.!).
 
OK, here we go, 2 glasses of Shiraz or not:

We have F = dp/dt = (d/dt){m0v/(√(1 - v2/c2)}
= m0(d/dt){v/√(1 - v2/c2)}
= m0*du/dt

where u = v/√(1 - v2/c2)

So now du/dt = du/dv*dv/dt where dv/dt = 1e19m/s2

Compute du/dv by standard way, then
du/dt is known as a function of v.
Let v = 0.9c and you have du/dt as a definite number.
Finally F = m0*du/dt
where m0 is the rest mass of a proton.

Make sense?
 
I think so, the answer I got was 2 * 10^-7 N

Is that correct?
 
OK, I got
du/dv = v(-1/2)(-2v/c2)[(1 - v2/c2)^(-3/2)] + (1 - v2/c2)^(-1/2)

= 1/(1 - v2/c2)^(1/2) + 0.81/(1 - v2/c2)^(3/2)
= 2.294 + 9.780 = 12.074
Then, F = 12.074*1e19*1.67e-27 = 2.016e-7N
Yay team!
 
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Haha, Thank you so much :)
 

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