Relativistic Particle Decay in Center of Momentum Frame

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The discussion focuses on relativistic particle decay in the center of momentum frame, specifically analyzing the decay of a parent particle with a total energy of 498 MeV into two daughter particles, each with a rest energy of 135 MeV. The calculations involve determining the potential difference required to accelerate an electron to relativistic speeds, using the Lorentz factor (γ) to relate energy, momentum, and mass. The forum participants confirm that the kinetic energy calculated using relativistic equations aligns with classical results under certain conditions, emphasizing the importance of understanding the Lorentz transformations in different reference frames.

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Homework Statement



a) What potntial difference will accelerate an electron to the speed of light according to classical physics?
b) With this potential difference, what speed will the electron achieve relativistically?
c) What is the relativistic mass at that speed?
d) What is the relativistic kinetic energy?


Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



a) [tex]q_{e} \Delta V = \Delta K = \frac{1}{2}m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]

[tex]\Delta V =\frac{m_{e}c^{2}}{2q_{e}}=255,499 Volts[/tex]

b) here I'm assuming that i can say (is this assumption valid??):

[tex]q_{e} \DeltaV = \gamma m_{e}c^{2}-m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]

then solve for [tex]\gamma[/tex],

[tex]\gamma=\frac{q_{e}\DeltaV}{m_{e}c^{2}}+1[/tex]

the velocity follows immediately

c) [tex]m = \gamma m_{e}[/tex]

d) here's where I get confused, if i calculate kinetic energy using:

[tex]K=\gamma m_{e}c^{2}-m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]

I get the same kinetic energy ([tex]q_{e} \Delta V[/tex]) I assumed in part b (obviously)... now this makes some sense to me, in the respect that the classical kinetic energy at the speed the electron would obtain relativistically is lower than this, but it is also equal to [tex]\frac{1}{2}m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]... i don't think this is a contradiction, but it seems strange... is my underying assumption in part b wrong?
 
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The Attempt at a Solution



a) [tex]q_{e} \Delta V = \Delta K = \frac{1}{2}m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]

[tex]\Delta V =\frac{m_{e}c^{2}}{2q_{e}}=255,499 Volts[/tex]

This is fine. (If you have learned about masses of particles expressed in electron-volts, you'll see that this value makes sense. Otherwise, don't worry about that for now...)

b) here I'm assuming that i can say (is this assumption valid??):

[tex]q_{e}\DeltaV = \gamma m_{e}c^{2}-m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]

then solve for [tex]\gamma[/tex],

[tex]\gamma=\frac{q_{e}\DeltaV}{m_{e}c^{2}}+1[/tex]

the velocity follows immediately

For some reason, your delta-V isn't displaying; but your intended expression (as seen in the TeX code) is correct, I believe, so you get gamma = 3/2 .

c) [tex]m = \gamma m_{e}[/tex]

d) here's where I get confused, if i calculate kinetic energy using:

[tex]K=\gamma m_{e}c^{2}-m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]

I get the same kinetic energy ([tex]q_{e} \Delta V[/tex]) I assumed in part b (obviously)... now this makes some sense to me, in the respect that the classical kinetic energy at the speed the electron would obtain relativistically is lower than this, but it is also equal to [tex]\frac{1}{2}m_{e}c^{2}[/tex]... i don't think this is a contradiction, but it seems strange... is my underying assumption in part b wrong?

The rest of this seems correct to me as well. You *will* get the same KE as you had classically (your instructor is being cute here). There is no contradiction: the Lorentz factor alters the velocity corresponding to various values of KE. As you note, the speed at which KE is one-half the rest mass-energy of the electron is lower than the classical result. The function now permits KE to grow without limit as speed approaches c ; the illustration of this is, I think, the main point of this exercise.
 
Great, thanks... I looked at it quite a few times, and couldn't figure out how it could be wrong, but it seemed too convenient... I have another quick question actually if you don't mind...

A different problem is looking at a particle decay in the center of momentum frame (S) and the laboratory frame (S')...

It gives me the total energy of the parent particle,[tex]E_{total}= 498 MeV[/tex], and the individual rest energies of the daughter particles, 135 MeV each. The particle decays at some point, and the two daughter particles leave w/ energy and momentum [tex]p_{1},E_{1}[/tex] and [tex]p_{2}, E_{2}[/tex]. In frame S, the parent particle is at rest. In frame S' it moves with a velocity of [tex]v = \frac{3c}{5}[/tex], and the daughter particles have energies and momenta [tex]E_{1}',p_{1}'[/tex] and [tex]E_{2}',p_{2}'[/tex].

For the S frame, (I've assumed that they energies/momenta were equal) and said that:

[tex] E_{total}=E_{1}+E_{2}=2E_{daughter}[/tex]

Then obtained the momentum for each from:

[tex] E^{2}=(pc)^{2}+(m_{0}c^{2})^{2}[/tex]

For the S' frame, I'm thinking that if I find the velocities of each particle with respect to S' using the Lorentz velocity transform, I can use that velocity to find the momentum via:

[tex] p=\gamma m_{0} u_{S'}[/tex]

where u will be velocity relative to S'... Now, if I am looking at the situation the right way, I will have a different [tex]\gamma[/tex] for each of the particles when figuring their momentum in S'. So for the momentum of particle 1, I'll have:

[tex] p_{1}=\frac{m_{0}u_{S'}}{\sqrt{1-(\frac{u_{S'}}{c})^{2}}}[/tex]

Would that be correct?
 
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