Relativistic velocity addition and signs

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This discussion focuses on the complexities of relativistic velocity addition in the context of special relativity, specifically addressing the confusion surrounding the use of different transformation formulas. The participant highlights the need for clarity on when to apply the Lorentz transformation equations, particularly the signs in the formulas for velocity addition. The participant also expresses a desire for resources on relativistic dynamics and collision scenarios. A preferred formula for relativistic velocity addition is presented as V_{a/c} = (V_{a/b} + V_{b/c}) / (1 + (V_{a/b} V_{b/c})/c^2), emphasizing the importance of consistent sign usage.

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Hello all,

I have just covered a very brief module on special relativity as a part of my physics course. I have also done some extra reading mostly; Morrin's Classical Mechanics. While I found the book really illuminating in some aspects, I still feel that regardless of how hard I try there is something with relativity that prevents me form doing anything but the simplest questions. I was trying to pinpoint my problem and I think that a big part of it is velocity addition.

I understand that the Galilean transformation would predict the $$V_{A}=V_{B}-V_{rel}$$ provided that A and B are two frames of reference. I also understand that we need to use the Lorentz transformation to get the velocity transformation in relativity;
$$
\begin{pmatrix}
c \Delta T_A \\
\Delta x_A\\
\end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & \gamma \beta \\
\gamma \beta & \gamma\\
\end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix}
c \Delta T_B \\
\Delta x_B\\
\end{pmatrix}
$$

Transforming the velocity u measured in frame to frame B;

$$u = \dfrac{\Delta x_A}{\Delta t_A} = \dfrac{v_B + u_{rel}}{1+\dfrac{v_B u_{rel}}{c^2}}$$

But as far as I understand we could equally reverse the frames A and B and simply transform the other way around which means we need the inverse of the transformation matrix; \begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & - \gamma \beta \\
- \gamma \beta & \gamma\\
\end{pmatrix}

This will yield the formula;

$$u = \dfrac{\Delta x_B}{\Delta t_B} = \dfrac{v_A - u_{rel}}{1-\dfrac{v_A u_{rel}}{c^2}}$$.

However since the naming of frames is arbitrary, how do I know which of the two formula to use, the one with the all plus and the all minus signs. I have tried to look on the internet for the explanation of this, but I could not find anything. Also provided that I know which equation to use, how do I use it, what is the sign convention for the velocities?

Thank you very much for all the help and sorry for the long post

P.S. I would be also very grateful if someone could point me to some good and simple resources on relativistic dynamics especially collisions. Thanks again.
 
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However since the naming of frames is arbitrary, how do I know which of the two formula to use, the one with the all plus and the all minus signs. I have tried to look on the internet for the explanation of this, but I could not find anything. Also provided that I know which equation to use, how do I use it, what is the sign convention for the velocities?
For that very reason (sign issues) I prefer this version of the relativistic addition of velocities formula:
V_{a/c} = \frac{V_{a/b} + V_{b/c}}{1 + (V_{a/b} V_{b/c})/c^2}
 
Actually, if the Galilean addition formula is to be consistent with what you are doing with the relativistic addition formula, then

VA=VB+Vrel

Then, when you're using the relativistic formula, you use the same sign for the relative velocity as you would with the corresponding Galilean situation.

Chet
 

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