Relativistic vs. Nonrelativistic KE Operator question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the understanding of the kinetic energy operator in the context of the time-dependent Schrödinger Equation for a nonrelativistic particle. Participants explore the relationship between the nonrelativistic kinetic energy operator and its representation in quantum mechanics, particularly in relation to the momentum operator.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the kinetic energy operator in the Schrödinger Equation, questioning the equivalence of \(\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\) to \(p^2/2m\) and seeking clarification on the transition between representations.
  • Another participant identifies the momentum operator as \(i \hbar \nabla\), suggesting that this is relevant to the discussion of kinetic energy operators.
  • A different participant advises the original poster to consider taking foundational courses before tackling the current quantum mechanics course, indicating a belief that the original poster may struggle without prior knowledge.
  • There is a mention of a potential misunderstanding regarding the presence of a minus sign in the context of the momentum operator, though it is unclear what this refers to.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the understanding of the kinetic energy operator or the appropriateness of the original poster's current course level. There are competing views regarding the necessity of foundational knowledge in quantum mechanics.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing foundational knowledge and assumptions regarding the understanding of quantum mechanics concepts, particularly the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum operators. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the subject matter.

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Hey, folks. I, on a whim today, started taking a MOOC quantum mechanics course that I have the functional math skills necessary to do but have virtually no background knowledge of quantum to start with and am incredibly rusty on stuff like PDE's; Quite frankly I'm out of my league, but the course just started and I'm going to work my butt off to do as well as I can and at least pass. The first lecture of the course is discussing the time-dependent Schrödinger Equation for a single, nonrelativistic particle:

[tex]i \hbar \frac{\partial \psi(x,t)}{\partial t} = \bigg( - \frac{\hbar^2}{2m} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} + v(x,t) \bigg) \psi (x,t)[/tex]

And he makes it clear that it's obvious that we can tell that this is the nonrelativistic version because of the kinetic energy operator is p^2/2m. But I don't see p^2/2m, I see what is a kinetic energy operator, [tex]\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}[/tex], but that isn't equivalent to p^2/2m, is it? I'm guessing based on poking around Wikipedia that this has to do with the Hamiltonian/Lagrangian, of which I think I only ever messed with Hamiltonians in Analytical Mechanics, a little bit. How do I understand the jump from one representation to another?
 
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The momentum operator is [itex]i \hbar \nabla[/itex].

Yes, you right when you say you are out of your league. I think you need to start a course or two further back. You will understand QM faster and better by getting the foundations in order than by failing this class, possibly a few times.
 
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It's already both a rare opportunity and literally sunk cost at this point and I have a huge wealth of free time for the next months, so I might just try really hard..that being said, I trust your judgment and quite frankly feel like things won't end well. I genuinely had no idea what I was getting myself into, but, eh.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
The momentum operator is [itex]i \hbar \nabla[/itex].
The minus sign is not detected.
 

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