Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, & the Link Between Energy & Time

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between energy and time in the context of relativity and quantum mechanics, as well as the connection between momentum and space. Participants seek intuitive explanations and delve into theoretical underpinnings, including Noether's theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about intuitive explanations for the relationship between energy and time, and momentum and space in relativity and quantum mechanics.
  • One participant suggests that changes in interaction over time lead to changes in energy, while changes in interaction over space lead to changes in momentum, using examples like high voltage and a spring.
  • Another participant references Noether's theorem, proposing that momentum is linked to space translation symmetry and energy to time translation symmetry, although they note that this may not be intuitive.
  • A later reply refines the explanation of momentum and energy in relation to translation symmetries, emphasizing the invariance under space and time translations, respectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and intuition regarding the concepts, with no consensus reached on a singular intuitive explanation. Multiple viewpoints on the definitions and implications of Noether's theorem are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the applicability of Noether's theorem and the requirement for laws of physics to be expressed in terms of an action principle, which may not be universally accepted or understood among all participants.

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Is there an intuitive explanation for the fact that in both relativity (time part of 4vector) and qm (frequency) energy is related to time and momentum to space?
Thanks.
 
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Well by counter examples you can find some intuition:

if the interaction changes with time, energy will change
(switching on slowly some high voltage for example)

if the interaction changes with position in space, the momentum will change
(a piece attached by a spring cannot maintain its momentum)
 
daniel_i_l said:
Is there an intuitive explanation for the fact that in both relativity (time part of 4vector) and qm (frequency) energy is related to time and momentum to space?
Thanks.

There is an explanation, but it may not be "intuitive". Momentum can be defined as space translation symmetry, and energy as time translation symmetry. This happens because of "Noether's theorem".

You can google a bit for this, or check out http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/articles/noether.asg/noether.html and maybe even the Wikpedia.

Noerther's theorem requires that the laws of physics be expressed in terms of an action principle, but this requirement is generally met (Newtonian physics with or without gravity and General Relativity are both expressible in terms of an action principle, for instance).
 
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pervect said:
Momentum can be defined as space translation symmetry, and energy as time translation symmetry. This happens because of "Noether's theorem".

Perhaps you mean "momentum can be defined as the quantity that is left invariant under space translations (given the space translation symmetry of the Lagrangian)," and similarly with energy and time, respectively.
 

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