RENO: 5 MeV neutrino excess ("9σ")

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The discussion centers on the observed 5 MeV neutrino excess reported by the RENO experiment, which has raised questions regarding the accuracy of theoretical models predicting reactor neutrino spectra. Participants explore the implications of this discrepancy and its impact on neutrino oscillation results, as well as the reliability of existing models.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the "9σ" significance of the result may only reflect statistical uncertainty.
  • RENO's measurement shows a discrepancy of up to 15% in the energy spectrum of reactor neutrinos at around 5 MeV, which does not align with theoretical predictions.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the reliability of reactor neutrino spectrum models, questioning their accuracy within 10% across the energy range.
  • Another participant points out that deviations in high-energy physics Monte Carlo simulations can be significant, suggesting that model inaccuracies could affect the interpretation of results.
  • A later reply mentions that neutrino mixing experiments do not depend on theoretical flux values, as they utilize near detectors to measure ratios, which may mitigate the impact of the 5 MeV bump on mixing results.

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Participants express differing views on the reliability of theoretical models for reactor neutrino spectra and their implications for neutrino oscillation experiments. There is no consensus on the trustworthiness of these models or the significance of the observed 5 MeV excess.

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Participants highlight limitations in the theoretical models and the potential for significant deviations in predictions, but do not resolve these issues or clarify the assumptions underlying the models.

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"9σ" in quotation marks as it seems to include the statistical uncertainty only.

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The result was shown at the XXVII International Conference on Neutrino Physics and Astrophysics, the slides don't seem to be available and the abstract is not very helpful.

RENO measured the energy spectrum of reactor neutrinos, a spectrum that rises quickly from 1 to 3 MeV and then gradually drops off up to ~7 MeV. At around 5 MeV, the observed spectrum does not match the predictions with a discrepancy of up to 15%.

My personal guess: something went wrong in the model that predicts this shape. Without this theoretical shape as comparison there is no structure visible at all. Do we really trust the models of reactor neutrino spectra to be accurate within 10% everywhere? If I look at high-energy physics Monte Carlo simulations, where some spectra have deviations of more than a factor of 2 (even between simulations - it is known that it is a problem of the simulations, not the measurements), I'm not sure.
 
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The 5 MeV bump is briefly discussed in the review https://arxiv.org/ct?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdx.doi.org%2F10%252E1016%2Fj%252Enuclphysb%252E2016%252E04%252E012&v=744e82cf . Of course, this was written before the Neutrino 2016 conference, but it does contain some discussion and references.
 
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mfb said:
. Without this theoretical shape as comparison there is no structure visible at all. Do we really trust the models of reactor neutrino spectra to be accurate within 10% everywhere?

Well more or less I guess that's the problem...
But I don't understand how with such deviations one can trust the neutrino oscillation results?
 
The neutrino mixing experiments don't rely on a theoretical flux value as far as I know. At least reactor- and accelerator-based experiments always have a near detector as well. Atmospheric measurements have different angles to get ratio measurements, and solar neutrino experiments can measure ratios between the neutrino types.

RENO is a good example: Divide the far detector signal by the near detector signal, and you are sensitive to mixing but the original flux and therefore the bump does not appear at all.
 
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