Renormalisation of the Schrodinger equation

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The discussion revolves around the concept of renormalization of the Schrödinger Equation within the context of quantum mechanics. Participants explore its implications, mathematical foundations, and related phenomena such as anomalous symmetry breaking and the Efimov effect.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a simple explanation of renormalization in the context of the Schrödinger Equation, acknowledging their limited understanding of the detailed mathematics involved.
  • Another participant provides a vague definition of renormalization, linking it to effective field theory and the modeling of systems based on long-range and short-range behaviors.
  • It is mentioned that perturbative calculations in quantum mechanics can lead to divergences, which may necessitate the application of renormalization techniques.
  • A participant shares resources, including a journal article on anomalous symmetry breaking, indicating that it is a novel topic not typically covered in textbooks.
  • Another participant references Schwartz's lecture notes, discussing the relationship between the Schrödinger and Dirac equations and suggesting that the Schrödinger equation can be viewed as a quantum field theory.
  • One participant raises the Efimov effect in relation to the original question, suggesting it may connect to renormalization group concepts and limit cycles.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and perspectives on renormalization, with no consensus reached on its implications or applications. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of terms like "anomalous symmetry breaking" and "limit cycles," indicating that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and mathematical frameworks that are not fully resolved.

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Hi, I am a senior year Physics undergraduate and my current understanding of quantum mechanics stands at the level of the Griffiths textbook.

I am trying to understand what it means to renormalise the Schrödinger Equation. I know that it's not possible to understand the detailed mathematics of it all from my present standpoint, so I'd appreciate it if you could provide a simple explanation of this idea.
 
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I know (in a very vague manner) only the following:

When we are given a) the parameters that define the long-range behaviour of a system and b) a sample set of observations for the short-range behaviour of the system, then we can model the system using a particular approach called renormalisation. The theory that results is called an effective field theory, because it is not the true theory, but still produces correct predictions for the short-range observations.

Also, sometimes when we perform a pertubative calculation to find the energy eigenvalues and eigenfunctions of a potential. In some cases, the corresponding results diverge to infinity. There also we apply the technique of renormalisation.

That's all I know.
 
I got that one. I have actually downloaded several journal articles which focus on anomalous symmetry breaking in quantum mechanics. I've been studying this topic lately for my coursework.

Anomalous symmetry breaking (in the context of ordinary quantum mechanics) is not covered in textbooks as it is a very novel topic, so I'm having to get my hands on journal articles. However, I think the math is fairly accessible to anyone with a good grounding in Griffiths-level Quantum Mechanics, so that saves me a lot of hassle.
 
You might like to look at chapter 23 of Schwartz's lectures notes: http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic521209.files/QFT-Schwartz.pdf.

Schwartz discusses the relationship between the Schroedinger and Dirac equations. However, it is very hard (impossible?) to make sense of the Dirac equation except as a field theory. So it is useful to be aware that the Schroedinger equation for many identical particles can be rewritten as a quantum field theory: http://hitoshi.berkeley.edu/221b/QFT.pdf.
 
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I googled "anomalous symmetry breaking" and one of the things that came up was the Efimov effect. Is that what you were asking about in the OP? In the renormalization group picture it seems to be (not certain?) related to a limit cycle.

http://www.int.washington.edu/talks/REU/2004/REU_04_talks/People/Swingle_B/swingletalk.pdf
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0503074
On the limit cycle for the 1/r^2 potential in momentum space
H.-W. Hammer (INT), Brian G. Swingle

http://arxiv.org/abs/1102.3789
Efimov physics from a renormalization group perspective
Hans-Werner Hammer, Lucas Platter
 
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