Renormalization group and universality

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The discussion revolves around the concept of renormalization group and universality in the context of critical phenomena, exploring how critical exponents relate to system dimensions and order parameters. Participants examine the implications of universality across different models and the complexities involved in defining order parameters.

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that near critical points, systems exhibit universal behavior characterized by critical exponents dependent on spatial dimensions and order parameter dimensions.
  • Others argue that universality is model-specific, with different theories exhibiting varying behaviors, and that the concept of universality encompasses multiple classes.
  • A participant mentions that relevant and irrelevant operators in renormalization group theory influence the universality classes, suggesting that universality is not a singular concept.
  • There is a discussion about the dimensionality of fields and order parameters, with some participants questioning the relationship between them in specific models like QCD.
  • Participants reference various models and literature, including O(N) models and their critical exponents, indicating a complex interplay between dimensions and order parameters.
  • Some express uncertainty about the appropriate choice of order parameters in different systems, highlighting ongoing research in this area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach consensus on the nature of universality, with multiple competing views on how critical exponents and order parameters relate to different models and dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the generalizability of findings across systems.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific models and definitions of order parameters, as well as unresolved questions about the relationship between order parameter dimensions and field dimensions in various theoretical frameworks.

tom.stoer
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I remember an argument which says that closed to critical points all systems are universal in the sense that their behavior is described by the critical exponents and that these critical exponents depend only on the dimension of the system and the dimension of the order parameter.

I remember a diagram with space-dimension on the abscissa and order-parameter-dimension on the ordinate showing curves of constant critical exponent and several physical systems.

Does anybody know a reference or web resource for such a diagram?
 
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It's not that easy. You must be thinking of a particular model, for example, the \lambda\phi^4. Then you can get the diagram. In that precise case, if d\geq 4 all critical exponents correspond to mean-field (that's the upper critical dimension). But other theories have different behaviours.
 
jrlaguna said:
It's not that easy. You must be thinking of a particular model
No, universality means that a huge class of models show identical behavior closed to the critical point
 
I think you're overestimating the universality concept. There are many "classes of universality", and many new of them appear every year in the scientific literature.

Imagine that you have a microscopic model, characterized by a series of "operators" O_i. When you renormalize (i.e.: see things from far away, you blur the details) some of them increase their importance and some of them decrease. The first are called relevant, and the second irrelevant. There are even "marginal" operators, which neither increase or decrease. Fixed points of the renormalization group, or universality classes, are characterized by the set of relevant operators. It's not like you have a single all-encompassing universality class. No, it depends on the operators, so it depends on your theory.
 
jrlaguna said:
I think you're overestimating the universality concept. There are many "classes of universality" ... No, it depends on the operators, so it depends on your theory.
OK; nevertheless there is a kind of 'labelling' of universality classes related to the critical exponents,the dimensions of the model and the order parameter. Have seen something like that?
 
Yes, that's true. Sorry, I have never seen that pic. I agree it would be very interesting! :)
 
So, when you say "dimensionality of the field", do you mean an SO(N) theory with an N-dimensional vector field (or N copies of a scalar field) that obeys that symmetry?
 
Whith 'dimension' I mean 'dimension of space' and 'number of independent components of the order parameter'.
 
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tom.stoer said:
Whith 'dimension' I mean 'dimension of space' and 'number of independent components of the order parameter'.

But, does the Hamiltonian for the order parameter field obey some symmetry, like SO(N)? If yes, then this gives a huge constraint on the possible forms of the Hamiltonian and the universality is not surprising.
 
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O(N) models
N dependence, d=3: http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9803240
A formula estimating critical exponents as a function of N and d=4-ε is given in http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-334-statistical-mechanics-ii-statistical-physics-of-fields-spring-2008/lecture-notes/lec11.pdf
 
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How can one relate the dimension of the order parameter to the dimension of the fields? In QCD the chiral condensate is decsribed by the order parameter

(\langle\bar{q}q\rangle,(\langle\bar{q}\gamma_5 q\rangle)

which is two-dim. but where spacetime is d-dim and SU(N), N = number of flavours, has not been specified
 
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tom.stoer said:
How can one relate the dimension of the order parameter to the dimension of the fields? In QCD the chiral condensate is decsribed by the order parameter

(\langle\bar{q}q\rangle,(\langle\bar{q}\gamma_5 q\rangle)

which is two-dim. but where spacetime is d-dim and SU(N), N = number of flavours, has not been specified

Doesn't that mean there's no relation, ie. holds for all d and N?

In some models, even what the appropriate order parameter is is still researched, so I'd be surprised if there's a general algorithm for finding the order parameter. For example, http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.1650 asks "do we consider <Z> or <r> to be the order parameter?".

A similar sentiment is found at http://www.lassp.cornell.edu/sethna/OrderParameters/OrderParameter.html "Finally, let's mention that guessing the order parameter (or the broken symmetry) isn't always so straightforward. For example, it took many years before anyone figured out that the order parameter for superconductors and superfluid Helium 4 is a complex number ψ."
 
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atyy said:
Doesn't that mean there's no relation, ie. holds for all d and N?
No, according to the classification of Wilson's classification (d=4, n=2) the critical exponents should not depend on N but are sensitive to the spacetime dimension d=4.
 
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tom.stoer said:
No, according to the classification of Wilson's classification (d=4, n=2) the critical exponents should not depend on N but are sensitive to the spacetime dimension d=4.

I meant the order parameter is different for different systems,and I don't think there is a rule for finding the order parameter.

The critical exponents do depend on N (and d) for O(N) models.
 

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