Repeated roots, non homogeneous - second order, reduction of order method

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a second-order non-homogeneous differential equation using the reduction of order method. Participants explore the application of this method to the equation y'' - 4y' + 4y = e^x, particularly focusing on the case of repeated roots in the associated homogeneous equation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses partial understanding of the reduction of order method and seeks assistance in applying it to the given differential equation.
  • Another participant confirms that the roots of the homogeneous equation are -2, repeated, and suggests a general procedure to find another solution independent from the known solution.
  • A different participant provides a detailed substitution process for y = e^{2x}v(x) and derives a simplified equation v''(x) = e^{-x}.
  • There is a question regarding the treatment of the constant of integration when forming the general solution, with one participant presenting their form of the general solution and seeking clarification.
  • Further elaboration is provided on how to derive the general solution from v''(x) = e^{-x}, leading to a proposed general solution that includes both particular and homogeneous components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of reduction of order and the identification of the roots, but there is some confusion regarding the correct formulation of the general solution and the treatment of the constant of integration. The discussion remains unresolved with respect to the final form of the solution.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps following the identification of the roots and the integration process, indicating potential gaps in understanding the application of the method.

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I semi understand the reduction of order method, and i understand the general solution for a 2nd order with repeated roots. however, i can't seem to form up the correct thing to solve this question, and research again proves futile. Any assistance will be appreciated.

Use the method of reduction of order to solve

y'' - 4y' + 4y = ex


when i do the auxiliary i get my roots to be -2, repeated. but from there i am not sure how to go on. i tried letting y1 = e2x and letting y = y1 v(x), and found y' and y'' to substitute back in the original equation to equate the coefficients, but that didn't work. I am now confused.

thanks for your assistance
 
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shorty said:
I semi understand the reduction of order method, and i understand the general solution for a 2nd order with repeated roots. however, i can't seem to form up the correct thing to solve this question, and research again proves futile. Any assistance will be appreciated.

Use the method of reduction of order to solve

y'' - 4y' + 4y = ex


when i do the auxiliary i get my roots to be -2, repeated. but from there i am not sure how to go on. i tried letting y1 = e2x and letting y = y1 v(x), and found y' and y'' to substitute back in the original equation to equate the coefficients, but that didn't work. I am now confused.

thanks for your assistance

Let's start from the homogeneous DE...

$\displaystyle y^{\ ''} - 4 y^{\ '} +4\ y=0$ (1)

You have found that $\displaystyle u(x)=e^{2 x}$ is a solution of (1) and that is correct. Now a general procedure to find another solution $v(x)$ of (1) independent from $u(x)$ is illustrated in...

http://www.mathhelpboards.com/showthread.php?605-Real-double-roots-question&p=3605#post3605

Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
shorty said:
I semi understand the reduction of order method, and i understand the general solution for a 2nd order with repeated roots. however, i can't seem to form up the correct thing to solve this question, and research again proves futile. Any assistance will be appreciated.

Use the method of reduction of order to solve

y'' - 4y' + 4y = ex


when i do the auxiliary i get my roots to be -2, repeated. but from there i am not sure how to go on. i tried letting y1 = e2x and letting y = y1 v(x), and found y' and y'' to substitute back in the original equation to equate the coefficients, but that didn't work. I am now confused.

thanks for your assistance

1. The roots are +2.

2.

\(y=e^{2x}v(x)\)

\(y'=2e^{2x}v(x)+e^{2x}v'(x)\)

\(y''=4e^{2x}v(x)+4e^{2x}v'(x)+e^{2x}v''(x)\)

Now putting these into the equation we get:

\( [4e^{2x}v(x)+4e^{2x}v'(x)+e^{2x}v''(x)] -4[2e^{2x}v(x)+e^{2x}v'(x)] +4[e^{2x}v(x)]=e^{x}\)

which reduces to:

\(v''(x)=e^{-x}\)


CB
 
Thank you,

one more thing: what do you do with the constant of integration when forming the general solution?

I have $$ y = C_1 e^{2x} c_2 e^{-x} $$ as my general solution. what should i have done with the Constant of integration?
CaptainBlack said:
1. The roots are +2.

2.

\(y=e^{2x}v(x)\)

\(y'=2e^{2x}v(x)+e^{2x}v'(x)\)

\(y''=4e^{2x}v(x)+4e^{2x}v'(x)+e^{2x}v''(x)\)

Now putting these into the equation we get:

\( [4e^{2x}v(x)+4e^{2x}v'(x)+e^{2x}v''(x)] -4[2e^{2x}v(x)+e^{2x}v'(x)] +4[e^{2x}v(x)]=e^{x}\)

which reduces to:

\(v''(x)=e^{-x}\)


CB
 
shorty said:
Thank you,

one more thing: what do you do with the constant of integration when forming the general solution?

I have $$ y = C_1 e^{2x} c_2 e^{-x} $$ as my general solution. what should i have done with the Constant of integration?

From \(v''(x)=e^{-x} \) you get \(v(x)=e^{-x}+(ax+b)\) which when recombined with \(e^{2x}\) gives a general solution: \[y(x)=e^{2x}[e^{-x}+ax+b)]=e^x+axe^{2x}+be^{2x}\]

The first term on the right is a particular integral and the remaining two terms are the general solution to the homogeneous equation.

CB
 

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