Represent Action of Stern Gerlach Operator as a Matrix

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The discussion revolves around representing the action of Stern-Gerlach devices as matrices in the context of quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the last two devices in a series. The original poster is attempting to express the output state of the devices in terms of the given basis states.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster describes their approach to representing the projection operators for the Stern-Gerlach devices and questions whether their derived output state matches the expected state. Other participants engage by confirming the output should be normalized and discussing the normalization factor.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the normalization of the output state and its implications for the matrix representation. There is a recognition of the need for normalization, with some participants suggesting methods to determine it, while others express uncertainty about how normalization affects the matrix representation.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the physical meaning of normalization in the context of the Stern-Gerlach experiment and how it relates to the loss of particles. Participants are also considering the implications of their calculations on the representation of the matrices.

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Homework Statement



Given the series of three Stern-Gerlach devices:

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Represent the action of the last two SG devices as matrices ##\hat{A}## and ##\hat{B}## in the ##|+z\rangle, |-z\rangle## basis.

Homework Equations



##|+n\rangle = cos(\frac{\theta}{2})|+z\rangle + e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})|-z\rangle##

The Attempt at a Solution



A Stern-Gerlach device with one beam blocked off can be represented as a projection of the incoming state onto the outgoing state. A projection operator can be written as the outer product of the selected basis state with itself, e.g. ##|+z\rangle\langle\,+\,z\,|## would be the projection operator for an SGz device with the minus size blocked.

The projection matrix of the first SGn is then:

##
\hat{A}\rightarrow{|+n\rangle\langle\,+\,n\,|} =
\begin{pmatrix}
cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\
e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) & e^{-i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix} =
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) & e^{-i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\
e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) & sin^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix}
##

Therefore, the beam coming out of the positive side of the SGn should be:

##
|+n\rangle = \hat{A}|+z\rangle \rightarrow
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) & e^{-i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\
e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) & sin^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
1 \\
0
\end{pmatrix} =
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\
e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix}
##

Should this be equal to the given ##|+n\rangle##?

I feel as though I'm missing something completely obvious or misunderstanding the question.

Thank you for any help you can provide.
 
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dbrad5683 said:
Therefore, the beam coming out of the positive side of the SGn should be:

##
|+n\rangle = \hat{A}|+z\rangle \rightarrow
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) & e^{-i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\
e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) & sin^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
1 \\
0
\end{pmatrix} =
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\
e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix}
##

Should this be equal to the given ##|+n\rangle##?

I feel as though I'm missing something completely obvious or misunderstanding the question.

Thank you for any help you can provide.

Hello and welcome to PF!
Yes, the output of SGn should be |+n>, up to a normalization factor.
 
So would ##\frac{1}{cos(\frac{\theta}{2})}## make for a suitable normalization factor? Is there a more formal way of determining this normalization factor?
 
dbrad5683 said:
So would ##\frac{1}{cos(\frac{\theta}{2})}## make for a suitable normalization factor?
Yes
Is there a more formal way of determining this normalization factor?
Not that I can think of at the moment. The usual way to find the normalization factor for a state |ψ>is to just look at <ψ|ψ>. But, in your example, you can spot the normalization factor by inspection.
 
TSny said:
Yes

Not that I can think of at the moment. The usual way to find the normalization factor for a state |ψ>is to just look at <ψ|ψ>. But, in your example, you can spot the normalization factor by inspection.
Thanks for you help. I still don't see how ##\langle\,+\,n\,|+n\rangle## would give me the normalization factor though. I'm getting ##cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) + sin^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) = 1## which is what is expected.
 
Let |ψ> be the output of GSn.
 
Ahh I see and I set this equal to 1. Thank you for your help!
 
TSny said:
Let |ψ> be the output of GSn.
This didn't work. I got a factor of ##\frac{1}{cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})}## when evaluating ##\langle\psi|\psi\rangle## with ##|\psi\rangle## being the output of SGn.

##
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) &
e^{-i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\
e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2})
\end{pmatrix} =
cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})[cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) + sin^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})] = cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})
##
 
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The normalization factor gets applied to both occurences of ψ, so you need the square root of ##\langle\psi|\psi\rangle## as normalization factor.
 
  • #10
mfb said:
The normalization factor gets applied to both occurences of ψ, so you need the square root of ##\langle\psi|\psi\rangle## as normalization factor.
Thank you. How does this then relate back to the matrix representation? Would it just be ##\frac{1}{cos(\frac{\theta}{2})}\begin{pmatrix}cos^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2}) & e^{-i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) \\ e^{i\phi}sin(\frac{\theta}{2})cos(\frac{\theta}{2}) & sin^{2}(\frac{\theta}{2})\end{pmatrix}##
 
  • #11
I don't think it makes sense to normalize the matrix. The norm smaller than 1 indicates that some particles get lost, which has a physical meaning.
 

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