Resolving power of a radio telescope array: Quantum or classical?

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The discussion revolves around the resolving power of an array of radio telescopes, questioning whether this phenomenon is a quantum or classical effect. Participants explore the implications of coherence in Very Long Baseline Imaging (VLBI) and the synchronization of signals from multiple telescopes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the resolving power of a single telescope can be explained through Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, while the behavior of an array of telescopes raises questions about coherence.
  • Others argue that VLBI requires signals to be mutually coherent, and that storing digitized signals does not change this requirement, necessitating precise time-tagging for data combination.
  • A participant questions whether the source being observed must vary for coherent recombination to work, leading to discussions about the synchronization of signals and the accuracy required for interference effects.
  • It is noted that coherence is primarily a classical effect, although there are quantum aspects, such as the Hanbury Brown and Twiss effect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of coherence and synchronization for VLBI but have differing views on the implications of quantum versus classical effects in the context of resolving power.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the specific conditions under which coherence must be maintained and the nature of the sources being observed, as well as the implications of quantum effects in this context.

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My question is: is the resolving power of an array of radio telescopes a quantum or a classical effect?
My question is: is the resolving power of an array of radio telescopes a quantum or a classical effect? The increase in resolving power of a single telescope, as aperture size increases, is easy to explain in terms of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. But when we go an array of telescopes are told they "act together as one", but does that mean the signals from each telecope have to be coherently combined? Sometimes the signals are stored, prior to pooling, which suggests this is a classical effect.

One radio dish could process a single radio photon (in principle) to resolve its direction, but could an array of dishes resolve a single radio photon any more effectively?
 
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Michael Price said:
But when we go an array of telescopes are told they "act together as one", but does that mean the signals from each telecope have to be coherently combined? Sometimes the signals are stored, prior to pooling, which suggests this is a classical effect.

Yes- Very Long Baseline Imaging (VLBI) imaging requires the signals be mutually coherent. Storing the digitized signals for later doesn't alter that- this is why the data requires extremely precise time-tagging in order to combine the digital data.

And yes- coherence is primarily a classical effect. There are quantum versions (the Hanbury Brown and Twiss effect is quantum), but VLBI uses plain ol' classical coherence.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Yes- Very Long Baseline Imaging (VLBI) imaging requires the signals be mutually coherent. Storing the digitized signals for later doesn't alter that- this is why the data requires extremely precise time-tagging in order to combine the digital data.
Thanks. Does that mean the source must be varying for this to work? Or is the variation required so small that is never a problem?
 
Michael Price said:
Thanks. Does that mean the source must be varying for this to work? Or is the variation required so small that is never a problem?

What source do you mean?
 
Andy Resnick said:
What source do you mean?
I mean the source (star, galaxy,...) we are trying to resolve.
 
Michael Price said:
Thanks. Does that mean the source must be varying for this to work? Or is the variation required so small that is never a problem?
No. It just means that the signals from the different antennas must be synchronized in time to an accuracy that allows for recombination coherently (i.e. a small fraction of a wavelength). This allows for interference effects from the phase of the waves observed in addition to the amplitude. So, when observations are recorded, they are "time stamped" with extreme accuracy.
 
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DaveE said:
No. It just means that the signals from the different antennas must be synchronized in time to an accuracy that allows for recombination coherently (i.e. a small fraction of a wavelength). This allows for interference effects from the phase of the waves observed in addition to the amplitude. So, when observations are recorded, they are "time stamped" with extreme accuracy.
Thanks. And that nicely explains why it is easier with radio telescopes than optical ones.
 
Michael Price said:
I mean the source (star, galaxy,...) we are trying to resolve.

Yes.
 

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