Resulting force of an object with variable movement

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The discussion centers around calculating the resulting force of an object with variable movement, specifically addressing issues with acceleration and unit conversions. Participants highlight the need to treat acceleration as a function of time rather than assuming constant values. A key point is the conversion of velocity from kilometers per hour to meters per second, which is necessary for accurate calculations in SI units. The confusion arises from the original question's presentation, leading to debates about the appropriate method for solving the problem. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the importance of consistent unit usage and proper differentiation to derive acceleration.
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Homework Statement
The movement of a material point of mass 500 mg is described using the following formula: ## v=9 \cdot \beta \cdot t^4 ## ,variable in time and is expressed in km/h. Considering the movement in the context of classical physics, and knowing the constant ## \beta=0.2 m \cdot s^{-5} ## . The resulting force which acts on the object at t=20s is equal to:
## 0.08 kg m \cdot s^{-5} ##
## 8 kg *m \cdot s^{-2} ##
80 N
8 kN
Relevant Equations
## v=9* \beta * t^4 ##
## \beta = 0.2 m*s^{-5} ##
v(20)=288000 m/s=80000km/h
a=(80 000-0)/(20 -0)=4000 m*s^(-2)
F=m*a=0.0005*80 000 which doesn't fit any answers
 
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You seem to have assumed constant force and constant acceleration.
 
PeroK said:
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You seem to have assumed constant force and constant acceleration.
Then how should I go about solving it?
 
Thietlan said:
Then how should I go about solving it?
Treat the acceleration as a function of time.
 
PeroK said:
Treat the acceleration as a function of time.
Ok I calculate acceleration as the derivative of v which comes out to be ## a=36 \cdot \beta t^3 km/h^2 ## and then simply calculate F= m*a(20) ,still doesn't give the right answer. What else am I missing?
 
Thietlan said:
Ok I calculate acceleration as the derivative of v which comes out to be ## a=36 \cdot \beta t^3 km/h^2 ## and then simply calculate F= m*a(20) ,still doesn't give the right answer. What else am I missing?
I must be honest, I don't understand the question. It gives ##\beta## in ##m/s##, time in seconds and force in SI units. So, I don't understand the reference to ##km/h##.
 
A confusingly written question. But you can match one of the answers in the list by proceeding as follows:

v is the velocity in km/h. Let V be the velocity in m/s. That means V = v/3.6 and the given equation becomes:
V(t) = 9βt⁴/3.6 = 9*0.2*t⁴/3.6 = 0.5t⁴

Differentiate V(t) to find a(t) in m/s². The rest is straightforward.

Edit: minor changes
 
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Steve4Physics said:
A confusingly written question. But you can match one of the answers in the list by proceeding as follows:

v is the velocity in km/h. Let V be the velocity in m/s. That means V = v/3.6 and the given equation becomes:
V(t) = 9βt⁴/3.6 = 9*0.2*t⁴/3.6 = 0.5t⁴

Differentiate V(t) to find a(t) in m/s². The rest is straightforward.

Edit: minor changes
You did well to work that out. The question, IMO, is the product of a sick mind!
 
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PeroK said:
I must be honest, I don't understand the question. It gives ##\beta## in ##m/s##, time in seconds and force in SI units. So, I don't understand the reference to ##km/h##.
Neither did I and yes while dividing by 3.6 gives one of the responses I don't really get why I would need to divide. If it is in km/h then we should be multiplied by 3.6 and if it were in m/s well,in case there is no need to convert.
 
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Thietlan said:
Neither did I and yes while dividing by 3.6 gives one of the responses I don't really get why I would need to divide. If it is in km/h then we should be multiplied by 3.6 and if it were in m/s well,in case there is no need to convert.
For example, take v = 3.6km/h. What is this in m/s?

This speed corresponds to covering 3600m in 3600s. In m/s, this speed is V = distance/time = 3600m/3600s = 1m/s. (There are other ways to convert units, but this method should make what is happening clear.)

In terms of simple arithmetic we have divided the speed in km/h by 3.6 to get the speed in m/s.

In the given equation v(t) = 9βt⁴, we are (confusingly) told that v is in km/h. So dividing v by 3.6 converts it to m/s.

If V is the velocity in m/s: V(t) = v(t)/3.6 = 9βt⁴/3.6

And from that point on, using V(t), we are working entirely in SI units.
 
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