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The discussion revolves around the intersection of physics and philosophy, initiated by a retired physicist who expresses a desire to engage in conversations about both subjects. Participants share their experiences, preferences in physics, and thoughts on the role of philosophy in scientific discourse.

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  • A participant emphasizes the importance of philosophy in physics, citing Fritz Rohrlich's statement that "If you're not doing philosophy then you're not doing physics."
  • Others contest this view, comparing the relevance of philosophy to physics to the difference between authentic New York City pizza and Domino's, suggesting a lack of seriousness in philosophical discourse.
  • Some participants express caution regarding philosophical discussions, indicating that such topics may not be well-received in the forum.
  • One participant mentions their background in computational physics and various mathematical interests, inviting others to share their own experiences and preferences.
  • There is a humorous exchange about pizza, with participants debating the quality of pizza in the USA and making light of off-topic discussions.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of falsifiability in scientific theories, using Dirac's theory of a magnetic monopole as an example to illustrate the complexity of defining scientific claims.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between philosophy and physics, with some supporting the integration of philosophical thought into scientific practice while others argue against its relevance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the role of philosophy in physics.

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Participants mention the need for caution in philosophical discussions, suggesting that the forum may have a preference for more empirical or practical topics in physics. There are also references to specific philosophical works and figures, indicating a range of familiarity and interest in the subject.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the philosophical implications of physics, as well as individuals interested in the personal experiences of physicists and the interplay between theoretical and practical aspects of the field.

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Greetings everyone. I'm new here as you can see. I'm a retired physicist and enjoy discussing physics. Keeps the wheels in the noggin spinning. I look forward to many interesting conversations. I usually spend most of my time in forums helping people learn math and physics. I hope to be useful here. Let's see what happens, shall we? :)

My handle "Popper" comes from my favorite pholosopher if science, Carl Popper. I actually know someone who knew him personally. I just got his book The Logic of Scientific Discovery. Have any of you ever heard of it or better yet read it? I also just obtained the book The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Thomas Kuhn, my second favorite pholosopher if science. Are you familiar with him and/or his work too? I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. As Fritz Rohrlich said If you're not doing philosophy then you're not doing physics.[/i] I believe that wholeheartedly. How about you?
 
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Welcome! Tell us, what is your favorite fish? I do so very much hope you say the majestic Salmon. If not that, then the swordfish is a good 2nd choice.
 
Experience: experimentalist, theoretician, industry based?

preference: classicist, relativist, quantum, particle, astrophysicist, entangled?

math interests?
 
Popper said:
As Fritz Rohrlich said If you're not doing philosophy then you're not doing physics.[/i] I believe that wholeheartedly. How about you?

If this isn't the most inaccurate statement ever then I don't know what is :smile:. Comparing physics to philosophy is like comparing authentic New York City pizza to Dominos. Welcome xD
 
Popper said:
As Fritz Rohrlich said If you're not doing philosophy then you're not doing physics. I believe that wholeheartedly. How about you?
Popper, if you haven't yet read all the guidelines/rules on this forum, you'd better do that soon.

Philosophy tends to attract death stares around here -- mainly because no truly professional philosophers who knew their stuff would continue to moderate the Philosophy forum, and without a firm hand, such a forum quickly fills up with crackpot rubbish.

Best to stick to real world physics around here... :smile:
 
strangerep said:
Popper, if you haven't yet read all the guidelines/rules on this forum, you'd better do that soon.
Already read it. Why did you try to remind me. Is that what you do to all newcommers?

strangerep said:
Philosophy tends to attract death stares around here -- mainly because no truly professional philosophers who knew their stuff would continue to moderate the Philosophy forum, and without a firm hand, such a forum quickly fills up with crackpot rubbish.

Best to stick to real world physics around here... :smile:
The point was that you're doing philosophy without knowing that you're doing it.
 
Popper said:
Is that what you do to all newcommers?
No. I just tried to caution in advance.
 
strangerep said:
No. I just tried to caution in advance.
Oh! Thanks for being so considerate. :smile:
 
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WannabeNewton said:
If this isn't the most inaccurate statement ever then I don't know what is :smile:. Comparing physics to philosophy is like comparing authentic New York City pizza to Dominos. Welcome xD

I strongly disagree. Let me think of some examples and I'll get back to you.
 
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WannabeNewton said:
[...]like comparing authentic New York City pizza to Dominos.
I think they're both pretty ordinary (and yes, I've tried both).
Actually, I've been to many cities in the USA and never found a decent pizza. :-p
 
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Drakkith said:
Welcome! Tell us, what is your favorite fish? I do so very much hope you say the majestic Salmon. If not that, then the swordfish is a good 2nd choice.
Swordfish :)
 
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My handle "Popper" comes from my favorite pholosopher if science, Carl Popper.

Welcome Popper. Looking forward to some stimulating discussions! These guys are just trying to help with their caveat on philophical discourse. I think the thread link Strangerep provided would be good to peruse.

BTW, Dr. Popper's first name was spelled Karl, not Carl. I'm surprised the rest of the gang here didn't catch that. Oh yeah, I know why, they definitely ain't philosophers. Lol. In any case, I know it's just a trivial spelling difference, but, c'mon, he's your favorite philosopher of science and it's your handle, so, heck, it IS important:-p
 
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jedishrfu said:
Experience: experimentalist, theoretician, industry based?
Computational Physics, digital signal processing, systems analysis and sfotware quality assurance (well ... I had to eat)

jedishrfu said:
preference: classicist, relativist, quantum, particle, astrophysicist, entangled?'
Classical Mechanics, Quantum Mechanics, special relativity, general relativity and cosmology

jedishrfu said:
math interests?
differential geometry, Digital signal processing, Computational physics, Tensor analysis, Fourier transforms and series.

How about you?
 
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strangerep said:
I think they're both pretty ordinary (and yes, I've tried both).
Actually, I've been to many cities in the USA and never found a decent pizza. :-p
You take that back! :cry:

Do it before I start posting set theory proofs.
 
  • #17
WannabeNewton said:
You take that back! :cry:

Do it before I start posting set theory proofs.
Well, I am a physicist first and mathematician second.
Therefore I rely on the experimental evidence to prove me right or wrong. :biggrin:

[Oops. Getting off-topic, though.]
 
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strangerep said:
Well, I am a physicist first and mathematician second.
Therefore I rely on the experimental evidence to prove me right or wrong. :biggrin:

But did you make enough measurements to make such an accurate statement about the pizza's?? I imagine you would have to eat quite a lot to get to ##5## sigma certainty!
 
  • #19
micromass said:
But did you make enough measurements to make such an accurate statement about the pizza's?? I imagine you would have to eat quite a lot to get to ##5## sigma certainty!
:bugeye: What's this?? A mentor indulging in an off-topic subthread (which I just tried to terminate)?
Oh, what's the world coming to?? :cry:

I didn't say there aren't any decent pizzas in the USA. I don't have enough data for that, yes.
But I can say I didn't find any in the cities I've visited. :wink:
 
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Yeah, this thread is done. Just to make it clear...no philosophy.
 
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Is Popper's claim falsifiable? Some would say no, rendering it unscientific.

Others would say yes, and that it has already been falsified. The example of an unfalsifiable scientific theory is commonly said to be Dirac's theory of a magnetic monopole. A single monopole would explain charge quantization. The theory seems unfalsifiable since it seems to require showing that monopoles do not exist. OTOH, it seems to be a theory we would want to consider scientific.

Suppose one day we do find a monopole, then the theory would undoubtedly be scientific, despite having been unfalsifiable.

Similarly, a single good pizza is sufficient to make strangerep's discussion on topic. http://www.yelp.com/biz/golden-gate-pizza-and-indian-cuisine-san-francisco

Popper said:
Are you familiar with him and/or his work too? I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. As Fritz Rohrlich said If you're not doing philosophy then you're not doing physics.[/i] I believe that wholeheartedly. How about you?


No. He ought to have said, "If you're not doing physics, you're not doing philosophy". :-p
 
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Popper said:
Fourier transforms and series.
Yes, these things are interesting. There seems to be more to Fourier stuff than meets the eye.

[Edit: I'm serious about this. I can talk about Fourier transforms, Fourier series, Discrete Fourier Transforms, FFT algorithms, and the like until the cows come home. Isn't it strange that the far field effect of diffraction and interference can be modeled by the Fourier transform? In quantum mechanics, the position of a particle, or at least all we know about the position of a particle, can be expressed as its wavefunction. And that wavefunction can also be expressed as a function of momentum, with no loss of information. And the relationship between the position and momentum expressions?:Fourier transforms of each other. 4G cellular communication, LTE (or even WiMax for that matter) and recent WiFi standards, are based on orthogonal frequency division multiplexing and have Fourier transform stuff part-and-parcel to the very core of their implementation. I can go on and on. Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry for rambling.]

['Come to think of it, my very first post to PF was about Fourier transforms. Huh.]

[I am tempted to speculate about how quantum decoherence properties (i.e. the appearance of "wavefunction collapse") are a direct consequence of Fourier transform related phenomena, but since (overt) speculation is not allowed on PF I will refrain from doing so. I'll just shut up now.]
 
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Popper said:
Computational Physics, digital signal processing, systems analysis and sfotware quality assurance (well ... I had to eat)Classical Mechanics, Quantum Mechanics, special relativity, general relativity and cosmologyDifferntial geometry, Digital signal processing, Computational physics, Tensor analysis, Fourier transforms and series.

How about you?

Similar background: Comp Physics, no DSPm system analysis sw qa, sw test (also had to eat...)

BS Physics, MS Comp Sci, retired, rehired still working...

Interests in GR, QM and CM as well as Vector/Tensor Analysis, Computational Physics...
 
  • #24
collinsmark said:
[Edit: I'm serious about this. I can talk about Fourier transforms, Fourier series, Discrete Fourier Transforms, FFT algorithms, and the like until the cows come home. Isn't it strange that the far field effect of diffraction and interference can be modeled by the Fourier transform? In quantum mechanics, the position of a particle, or at least all we know about the position of a particle, can be expressed as its wavefunction. And that wavefunction can also be expressed as a function of momentum, with no loss of information. And the relationship between the position and momentum expressions?:Fourier transforms of each other. 4G cellular communication, LTE (or even WiMax for that matter) and recent WiFi standards, are based on orthogonal frequency division multiplexing and have Fourier transform stuff part-and-parcel to the very core of their implementation. I can go on and on. Okay, I'll stop now. Sorry for rambling.]

For many of these, it's because the wave equation is linear. Then just as one can "diagonalize" a matrix in the process of solving a linear ordinary differential equation, the Fourier transform "diagonalizes" the wave equation.
 

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