Reviews for Gödel, Escher, Bach & The Physics of Consciousness

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The discussion revolves around the books "Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas R. Hofstadter and "The Physics of Consciousness" by Evan Harris Walker. Participants share their opinions on the scientific and philosophical merits of these works, with a focus on their relevance to consciousness and the nature of reality.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express admiration for "Gödel, Escher, Bach," noting its blend of science, philosophy, and art, and its ability to inspire wonder.
  • One participant questions the validity of "The Physics of Consciousness," suggesting that the questions it raises about consciousness and God may not be answerable by physics.
  • Another participant recommends "The Quest for Consciousness" by Koch as a more structured and analytical approach to the topic of consciousness.
  • Some participants highlight the literary recognition of "Gödel, Escher, Bach," mentioning its Pulitzer Prize as an indicator of its quality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of "Gödel, Escher, Bach," but there is disagreement regarding the credibility of "The Physics of Consciousness," with some expressing skepticism about its scientific foundation.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the ability of physics to address questions related to consciousness and the existence of God, indicating a potential limitation in the scope of the discussion.

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Readers interested in the intersections of science, philosophy, and consciousness studies may find this discussion relevant.

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"Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas. R. Hofstadter and "The Physics of Consciousness" by Evan Harris Walker.

The second one sounds dubious, but I'd like a few opinions from people who know more about science than me. The reason why I don't want to go by Amazon reviews is that I trust that the people on PF a more scientifically minded.

Thanks in advance.

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"Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid" by Douglas. R. Hofstadter is part science, part philosophy and part art.

I absolutely loved his "Metamagical Themas", and read it several times, but again, part science, part philosophy and part art.

You won't necessarily learn a lot of physics from these books, but they may well inspire you and engender a sense of wonder and joy in what you do.
 
Thanks, DaveC426913. I think I will read Hofstadter's book then.

Does anyone know anything about "The Physics of Consciousness"? It doesn't look good to me, because on the back it says that the theory that Walker (the author) proposes answers questions like "What is the nature of consciousness, of will?", "What is the source of material reality?" and "What is God?". As far as I know, physics can't answer these (at least yet), not to mention that the existence of God isn't based on any sound physical theories. Can somebody more knowledgeable in physics help me out? Is Walker a quack?

- Kamataat
 
Godel, Escher, Bach is an excellent book, I'm about half way through it. If you want a good book on consciousness, I recommend "The Quest for Consciousness," by Koch. It has a very good, structured, analytical approach. It's meant to be more of a textbook, but it's not a difficult read. Also, it was published in 2004, so the material is very recent.
 
GEB won a pulitzer when it came out, so that should be some incidation of how good it is. i read it last summer & i thought it was very cool.
 
Tnx, will check the book by Koch.
 

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