Revolutionizing Research: The Power of Online Forums and Copyright Protection

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The discussion revolves around the intersection of online forums, copyright protection, and the academic publishing process, particularly in the context of multidisciplinary research in the living sciences. Participants explore the potential for online platforms to facilitate creative research and knowledge sharing outside traditional academic structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their journey from design to research in brain structure, expressing frustration with the academic journal process and suggesting that online forums could accelerate creative research and collaboration.
  • Concerns are raised about copyright issues when sharing ideas online, with one participant noting that sharing with an intellectual property company may be necessary to ensure protection.
  • Another participant questions why obtaining funding for multidisciplinary ideas is challenging, suggesting that universities typically favor such projects due to their potential for attracting funding.
  • There is clarification on the distinction between patents and copyrights, with participants discussing the applicability of each to ideas and written expressions.
  • One participant points out that patents can apply to processes, not just physical objects, which complicates the understanding of intellectual property in the context of abstract ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and feasibility of using online forums for research dissemination compared to traditional journals. There is also a lack of consensus on the best approach to copyright and patent protection for ideas shared in these forums.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the academic system, including the bureaucratic nature of journal submissions and the challenges of interdisciplinary collaboration. There is also uncertainty regarding the legal standing of ideas shared online versus those published in journals.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to researchers navigating the complexities of academic publishing, intellectual property rights, and those exploring alternative platforms for sharing and developing multidisciplinary ideas.

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I'm a researcher in brain structure, encouraged to become so many years ago by a psychologist within the university system. Previously to that i was a designer who tended to live in a constant perception of abstract analysis of everything living. Thats what lead me to creating/discovering a set of ideas about what brain structure really was, and also a general philosophy of human systems themselves.

this was a hobby, I had no academic methodology, a forum, and a lot of fun. I didnt really care if anybody stole any of my ideas. My career focus was design and i was highly protective in my online actitivites in that area.

Now everything has switched around. This is mainly due to my environmnent to some degree, which pulled and selected me into the world of academic support, that's resulted several years later in a book about electromagnetism and the discovery of natural mathematics within neurochemical systems, but as of yet no proof or description, (in mathematical language). The problem is the process is just too cross discipline for anyone university department. Just offhand it blends Neuroscience, organic chemistry, eastern philosophy, genetics, anthropolgy, evolutionary neurology, Earth sciences and now natural mathematics. People in university departments are just too busy, and the structure will not allow to me go from one department to another, grabbing different people. Unless it looks like some government, business money will arise then basically the departments do not get together, and i have to go of creative learning yet another subject.

Worse of all, during all this process i have been advised not to print my papers online until they go through the journal process, however :

My current feeling is that the journal process is bad for creativity. ITs basically a lot of messing around, a lot of reformatting, playing by rules etc. time consuming, a struggle with peers.

we all know this process anyway. How many here aim for it ? and of course its about reward. correction, leading to grants, wages, patents, Protection of research at the legal level and so on. Seems to be write the paper collect the reward, and go grazing elsewhere.

I am asking myself lately can internet sites and forums jump ahead this process, if i just say stuff it, to these rewards. I want to get the feeling of enjoyment or even possibility of getting somewhere within a decent timeframe. For a start i find the journal system incoherent. Pubmed can barely bring a subject together, never mind a single journal.

A well run forum however, with a high quality website, together with a lot of people excited about a project in which they share the process of creative research and discovery for the sake of that, could leapfrog the whole journal process. The forum would invite critics and skeptics and evolution could take place at a much quicker pace. Free of peer problem, grant pressure, academic pressure. Just like here the forum / site can sit online forever, developing dynamically, and as a result a lot more fun. I know of one good model which the "journal of consciousness studies", which is more of a magazine than a journal. The best in the business get together, submit loose articles and opinions, ads for books and debate with each other.


This is what i am thinking is the way ahead. I'm already far enough gone in the academic process that the neurochemistry papers should end up in journals this year. That gives me credibility i never had previously. Still its too slow, represents the tip of my iceberg, and requires breaking 30% of just one book apart.

What i am asking here is this. What is the current opinion of the state of play in development in the living sciences in regards to what can be achieved online, half in academia, half out ?

I really would like to share my book and papers online, and let others share, even re-write and take what looks like a really deep philososophy of electromagnetism which binds all levels of living systems. Genetic/brain/global populations. It has become too much for one person and one journal, or one department. It needs to become coherent and developed within the web, rather than broken up to teeny little articles.

What would the price be ? do i lose copyright ? Is that really possible ?

if i and others share in a decent quality wikipedia kind of online development, then the result is work which is witnessed stamped and dated.

Forums are archived, date stamped by the servers, and witnessed by their contributors. If what i am claiming which is significant arises from the project, that would be so desirable as to be stealable, then where do i stand ?

Has anyone similar experience ? In this current day and online climate, will its origins stand up in court, as well as the journals can ?
 
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The only way to ensure copyright would be to share your idea with an intellectual property company and get their opinion as to whether it's patentable or not.

Journals are strange - when your paper's accepted, you have to sign copyright over to them. However, according to my contract, my employer (a university) owns copyright on my ideas.

I'm sure copyright is stricter in some subjects as opposed to others tho
 
One thing I fail to understand:

if you do indeed have a multidisciplinary idea with merit then it should be a lot easier to get people interested and to obtain funding for it. Universities love this kind of thing, it gets so much money from the funding agencies.
 
J77 said:
The only way to ensure copyright would be to share your idea with an intellectual property company and get their opinion as to whether it's patentable or not.

Patent and copyright are different things. Patents apply to ideas, more precisely concepts for useful devices. Copyrights apply to written or pictorial expression.
 
jtbell said:
Patent and copyright are different things. Patents apply to ideas, more precisely concepts for useful devices. Copyrights apply to written or pictorial expression.
I thought a patent was more specific to a physical object, ie. you need a prototype.

Hence why it's hard to get IP on a, e.g., mathematical idea.
 
J77 said:
I thought a patent was more specific to a physical object, ie. you need a prototype.

Hence why it's hard to get IP on a, e.g., mathematical idea.

not necessarily, it can be a process. Like amazons one click checkout, that's patented.
 

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