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The discussion revolves around rewriting the limit $$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{\sec(\pi + h) + 1}{h}$$ as a derivative. Participants clarify that this limit represents the derivative of the function \( f(x) = \sec x \) at \( x = \pi \). The limit can be expressed as $$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{\sec(\pi + h) - \sec(\pi)}{h}$$, which aligns with the definition of a derivative. The conversation emphasizes the importance of identifying the correct function and its value at the specified point. Ultimately, the limit simplifies to the derivative of the secant function, confirming the approach taken in the problem.
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I was asked to rewrite the limit as a derivative:

$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{sec(\pi + h) + 1}{h}$$

Any hints on how to start?
 
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What function do you think you'd be taking the derivative of, do you think?
 
Ackbach said:
What function do you think you'd be taking the derivative of, do you think?

I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you're asking.
 
Well, when you calculate a derivative, it's the derivative of a function. What's the only function in sight here?
 
Hello, NavalMonte!

It would have been considerate to give us the original problem.
I'm forced to guess what you are asking.

I was asked to rewrite the limit as a derivative:
$$\lim_{h\to0} \dfrac{\sec(\pi + h) + 1}{h}$$
I wager that the problem said:

. . \text{Given: }\:f(x) \,=\,\sec x
. . \text{Find }f'(x)\text{ at }x = \pi\text{ by definition.}\frac{f(\pi+h) - f(x)}{h} \;=\;\frac{\sec(\pi+h) - \sec(\pi)}{h}

. . . =\;\frac{\sec(\pi+h) - (-1)}{h} \;=\;\frac{\sec(\pi+h) + 1}{h}

Note that: .\sec(\pi+h) \:=\:\frac{1}{\cos(\pi+h)} \:=\:\frac{1}{-\cos h}

We have: .\frac{-\frac{1}{\cos h} +1}{h} \:=\:\frac{-1 + \cos h}{h\cos h} \:=\:-\frac{1-\cos h}{h\cos h}

Multiply by \frac{1+\cos h}{1+\cos h}\!:\;-\frac{1-\cos h}{h\cos h}\cdot\frac{1+\cos h}{1+\cos h}

. . . =\;-\frac{1-\cos^2h}{h\cos h(1+\cos h)} \;=\;-\frac{\sin^2h}{h\cos h(1+\cos h)}

. . . =\;-\frac{\sin h}{h}\cdot\frac{\sin h}{\cos h(1+\cos h)}Thus: .\lim_{h\to0}\left[-\frac{\sin h}{h}\cdot\frac{\sin h}{\cos h(1 + \cos h)} \right] \:=\:-1\cdot\frac{0}{1(2)} \:=\:0
 
What Ackbach was getting at is:

What is $\sec(\pi) = \dfrac{1}{\cos(\pi)}$?

Do you see an expression in your formula that is the negative of this?
 
Rewriting this limit into a derivative:

$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{sec(\pi + h) + 1}{h}$$

Looks like it came from:

$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{f(a + h) - f(a)}{h}$$

I have to ask:

a=?
f(a+h)=?

So,
a = $\pi$
f(a + h) = sec($\pi$ + h)

therefore,
f(a) = Sec($\pi$) = -1

Plugging it back in works out:$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{sec(\pi + h) - (-1)}{h} => \lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{sec(\pi + h) + 1}{h}$$

So the answer would be:

$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0} \dfrac{sec(\pi + h) + 1}{h} = \dfrac{d}{dx}[cos(x)]$$

Would this be correct?
I had a professor give me a hint, but I'm not to sure if this would be what the question was asking for.
 
Nope.

You had everything right until this point:

$\displaystyle \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\sec(\pi + h) + 1}{h}$

now if $\sec(\pi) = -1$, we can re-write THAT as:

$\displaystyle \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{\sec(\pi + h) - \sec(\pi)}{h}$

which looks like it's the derivative of what we're calling $f$, which is...?

(Hint: it's NOT "cosine").
 
Meant to say Sec(x).

Silly mistake (Doh)
 

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