Role of Strong Force in Neutron Stars

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the role of the strong force in neutron stars, exploring its implications beyond the binding of individual nuclei. Participants examine the nature of neutron interactions in the core, the state of matter present, and the implications for stability and equations of state.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the significance of the strong force in neutron stars, particularly regarding whether low energy neutrons would clump together in the core.
  • Others mention that the core may consist of a quark-gluon plasma, referencing external sources for context.
  • One participant notes that the core is superfluid, suggesting that all neutrons share the same wave function and energy, which could affect thermal conductivity.
  • Participants discuss the Equation of State (EOS) for neutron stars, with some proposing polytropic models that relate pressure to density through various power laws.
  • There are detailed mathematical expressions provided for different regimes of density and pressure, indicating varying behaviors based on relativistic effects.
  • One participant introduces a stability analysis based on kinetic and potential energy, suggesting that neutron stars require a strong repulsive interaction among particles to maintain stability.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the reliability of a Wikipedia source regarding the quark-gluon plasma theory, indicating a need for more precise references.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of the strong force and the nature of the core of neutron stars. There is no consensus on the significance of the quark-gluon plasma theory or the implications of the discovered star mass on this theory.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve complex mathematical models and assumptions about the behavior of particles under various conditions, which may not be fully resolved or universally accepted.

Drakkith
Mentor
Messages
23,205
Reaction score
7,687
Does the strong force have any major role in neutrons stars other than obviously holding individual nuclei together? Would low energy neutrons tend to "clump" together in the core?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
Drakkith said:
Does the strong force have any major role in neutrons stars other than obviously holding individual nuclei together? Would low energy neutrons tend to "clump" together in the core?

I've read a lot about neutron stars and no one seems to mention the strong force. So I'm baffled too.

The core is superfluid, so all the neutrons have the same wave function and are at the same energy. Superfluids are extremely conductive of heat, it moves at c/2 or something like that.
 
mathman said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_star

See above. The core seems to be a quark-gluon plasma.

The quark-gluon plasma theory lost popularity when a star with mass of 1.96 AU was discovered.

I think that that Wikipedia page is not very good.
 
What you are looking for is something called the Equation of State or EOS of a neutron star. The simplest model are what are called polytropes, where the pressure goes as the density to some power (often 5/3 for relativistic fermions and 4/3 for nonrelativistic fermions).
 
It's actually:

Nonrelativistic: 5/3
Partially relativistic: 4/3
Completely relativistic: 1

In general, electron number density n ~ p3
where p is the Fermi momentum, the maximum momentum an electron has in the system.

Mass density = den
Pressure ~ kinetic-energy density

Nonrelativistic (p << m):
den ~ n * (M + m)
P ~ n * (p2/(2m))
where m is the mass of an electron and M is the mass of the nuclei per electron

den ~ p3
P ~ p5
P ~ den5/3

Partially relativistic (p >> m, p << M):
den ~ n * (M + p)
P ~ n * p

den ~ p3
P ~ p4
P ~ den4/3

Completely relativistic (p >> M)
den ~ n * p
P ~ n * p

den ~ p3
P ~ p3
P ~ den1
 
I'll now do some simple stability calculations. I'll work in the Newtonian limit for simplicity.

Kinetic energy ~ (pressure)*R3
for radius R

Potential energy ~ - G*M2/R
for mass M and grav. const. G

GR creates effects with relative size (G*M)/(R*c2), so it makes a small effect for any condensed object less massive or larger than than a neutron star.

Take a polytropic equation of state: pressure = K*(density)g -- a power law

Density ~ M/R3
so the kinetic energy varies as
K*Mg*R3(1-g)

To be stable, an object must have its kinetic energy decreasing faster for increasing radius than the absolute value of the potential energy. This gives the condition

g > 4/3

meaning that if an object has too little resistance to compression, it will collapse.

One can get a good approximation of the Chandrasekhar mass of a white dwarf from this simple argument.

This result also means that a neutron star can only be stable if its particles have a sufficiently strong repulsive interaction. That is indeed what happens, though how strong has been a VERY difficult subject.
 
ImaLooser said:
The quark-gluon plasma theory lost popularity when a star with mass of 1.96 AU was discovered.

I think that that Wikipedia page is not very good.

Could you give a link to this finding? Seems interesting to get some exact details of why that causes problems with the quark-gluon theory.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 48 ·
2
Replies
48
Views
6K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
3K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
4K
  • · Replies 31 ·
2
Replies
31
Views
7K