Roots and root vectors of sp(4,\mathbb{R})

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The discussion centers on the roots and root vectors of the symplectic group ##sp(4,\mathbb{R}##). Participants explore the structure of the Cartan subalgebra, the computation of roots, and the form of matrices within this algebra. The conversation includes technical details about symplectic forms and the implications for the number of roots and root vectors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant identifies the Cartan subalgebra of ##sp(4,\mathbb{R}##) as the algebra of diagonal matrices and proposes a method to compute roots using the commutation relation ##[H,X]=\alpha(H) X##.
  • Another participant questions the form of matrix ##X## presented, suggesting that it does not conform to the standard symplectic form and raises concerns about the number of simple roots expected in ##sp(4,\mathbb{R}##).
  • A later reply introduces an alternative symplectic form ##\Omega = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & T_n \\ -T_n & 0 \end{pmatrix}##, where ##T_n## is defined as a specific matrix, and agrees with the form of ##X## under this new definition.
  • One participant notes that under their proposed form, certain relationships hold, such as ##h_{33}=-h_{22}## and ##h_{44} = -h_{11}##, which leads to the conclusion that there should be 2 simple roots instead of 4.
  • Another participant acknowledges the correction regarding the number of simple roots and expresses gratitude for the clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the form of matrix ##X## and the implications for the number of roots in ##sp(4,\mathbb{R}##). While some points are clarified, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the roots and the corresponding root vectors.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions regarding the symplectic form used and the implications for the structure of the matrices involved. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the algebraic properties of ##sp(4,\mathbb{R}##) and the relationships between the roots.

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I found that the cartan subalgebra of ##sp(4,\mathbb{R})## is the algebra with diagonal matrices in ##sp(4,\mathbb{R})##.

Now to find out the roots I need to compute:

##[H,X]=\alpha(H) X##

For every ##H## in the above Cartan sublagebra, for some ##X \in sp(4,\mathbb{R})##

Now, I know that ##X## is of the form:

##\left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc} a_{11} & a_{12} & a_{13} & a_{14}\\
a_{21} & a_{22} & a_{23} & a_{13} \\
a_{31} & a_{32} & -a_{22} & -a_{12}\\
a_{41} & a_{31} & -a_{21} & -a_{11}\\
\end{array}} \right]##

So if I take ##H=diag(h_{11},h_{22},h_{33},h_{44})##, I am getting the next equality:

##\left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc} a_{11} & a_{12} & a_{13} & a_{14}\\
a_{21} & a_{22} & a_{23} & a_{13} \\
a_{31} & a_{32} & -a_{22} & -a_{12}\\
a_{41} & a_{31} & -a_{21} & -a_{11}\\
\end{array}} \right] = \left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc} 0 & (h_{11}-h_{22})a_{12} & (h_{11}-h_{33})a_{13} & (h_{11}-h_{44})a_{14}\\
(h_{22}-h_{11})a_{21} & 0 & (h_{22}-h_{33})a_{23} &(h_{22}-h_{44}) a_{13} \\
(h_{33}-h_{11})a_{31} & (h_{33}-h_{22})a_{32} & 0 & (h_{44}-h_{33})a_{12}\\
(h_{44}-h_{11})a_{41} & (h_{44}-h_{22})a_{31} & (h_{33}-h_{44})a_{21} & 0\\
\end{array}} \right]##

Which means that the roots should be ##h_{11}-h_{44} , h_{22}-h_{33} , h_{33}-h_{22}, h_{44}-h_{11}##, and accodingly the root vectors are:
##\left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc}0 & 0 & 0 & a_{14}\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
\end{array}} \right],\left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc}0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & a_{23} & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
\end{array}} \right],\left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc}0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & a_{32} & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
\end{array}} \right], \left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc}0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
a_{41} & 0 & 0 & 0\\
\end{array}} \right]## respectively.

Is this right, or did I forget something?

Thanks in advance.
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
Now, I know that ##X## is of the form:

##\left[ {\begin{array}{ccccc} a_{11} & a_{12} & a_{13} & a_{14}\\
a_{21} & a_{22} & a_{23} & a_{13} \\
a_{31} & a_{32} & -a_{22} & -a_{12}\\
a_{41} & a_{31} & -a_{21} & -a_{11}\\
\end{array}} \right]##

What symplectic form are you using? For the standard one,

$$ \Omega = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & I_n \\ -I_n & 0 \end{pmatrix},$$

a matrix ##X## in ##sp(2n,\mathbb{R})## must satisfy ##\Omega X + X^T \Omega =0##, and hence is of the form

$$ X = \begin{pmatrix} A & B \\ C & -A^T \end{pmatrix}, ~~~B^T = B,~~~C^T = C.$$

Your representative doesn't look at all like this, but I can't discount that there is not some other ##\Omega## for which it is reasonable.

Also, ##sp(4,\mathbb{R})## has rank 2, so there should should be 2 simple roots. You should not end up with 4 linearly independent root vectors.
 
I am using the next form:
##\Omega = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & T_n \\ -T_n & 0 \end{pmatrix}##

Where ##T_n## is the matrix with 1 in the (i,n-i+1) entry and zero in the rest.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
I am using the next form:
##\Omega = \begin{pmatrix} 0 & T_n \\ -T_n & 0 \end{pmatrix}##

Where ##T_n## is the matrix with 1 in the (i,n-i+1) entry and zero in the rest.

OK, so it looks like ##T_2 = \sigma_1##, in which case, I agree with your ##X##. The rest looks ok, but you should note that we always have ##h_{33}=-h_{22}, h_{44} = -h_{11}##. Then you will find 2 simple roots. It might also be easiest to pick an explicit basis for the Cartan subalgebra to simplify some computations.
 
Ah, yes you're right. Thanks.
 

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