Rotation of coordinates (context of solving simple PDE)

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the rotation of coordinates in the context of solving a simple partial differential equation (PDE). Participants explore the transformation of rectangular coordinates (x,y) to rotated coordinates (x',y') and the implications of this transformation on the solution of the PDE aux + buy = 0.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the transformation equations x' = ax + by and y' = bx - ay, suggesting an alternative formulation x' = ay - bx and y' = by + ax derived from the line equation y = (b/a)x.
  • Another participant clarifies that y = (b/a)x represents the x' axis, indicating where y' = 0.
  • A participant inquires about the necessity of an arbitrary constant in the context of the transformation.
  • One participant describes a more general approach to changing coordinates for a PDE with multiple variables, presenting new variable definitions involving arbitrary coefficients.
  • Another participant argues that the transformation x' = ax + by, y' = bx - ay does not represent a pure rotation unless certain conditions on a and b are met, specifically relating to the magnitude of a^2 + b^2.
  • This participant further explains that a true rotation can be expressed in terms of trigonometric functions, linking a and b to cosine and sine of the rotation angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the transformation equations and the conditions under which they represent a rotation. There is no consensus on the correct formulation or the implications of the transformations for the PDE.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the transformation equations, particularly regarding the conditions for pure rotation and the implications of arbitrary constants in the context of PDEs.

chipotleaway
Messages
174
Reaction score
0
If you rotate your rectangular coordinate system (x,y) so that the rotated x'-axis is parallel to a vector (a,b), in terms of the (x,y) why is it given by

x'=ax+by
y'=bx-ay

I got x'=ay-bx, y'=by+ax from y=(b/a)x.

By the way this is from solving the PDE aux+buy=0 by making one of the partial derivatives disappear. The general solution I got from this change of variables is u(ay-bx) rather than u(bx-ay) - is u(ay-bx) wrong?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
chipotleaway said:
y=(b/a)x

This is the equation of the x' axis, i.e, it is the equation for y' = 0.
 
So I need an arbitrary constant?
 
My lecturer did the change of coordinates for a more general constant coefficient PDE \sum_{j=1}^n a_j\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_j}=b(x,u) in n-variables by defining the new variables as:

y_1=\frac{x_1}{a_1}
and
y_j=x_j-\frac{a_j}{a_1}x_1

How do you get this?
 
Strictly speaking, x'= ax+ by, y'= bx- ay does NOT give a rotation.

If a^2+ b^2> 1 there will be both a rotation and an expansion. If a^2+ b^2< 1 there will be both a rotation and a shrinking It is only when a^2+ b^2= 1 that x'= ax+ by, y'= bx- ay gives a pure rotation.

One can show that a rotation, counterclockwise, about the origin, through angle \theta is given by x'= cos(\theta)x+ sin(\theta)y, y'= sin(\theta)x- cos(\theta) y. In your formulation, "a" must be cos(\theta) and "b" must be sin(\theta) where \theta is the angle rotated through.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 36 ·
2
Replies
36
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
3
Views
1K