Rotation Operator: Spin 1/2 vs Spin 1

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the differences in deriving the rotation operator for spin 1/2 particles compared to spin 1 particles. Participants explore various methods and approaches to understand the underlying principles and mathematical formulations involved in these derivations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how the derivation of the rotation operator for spin 1 differs from that of spin 1/2.
  • Another participant suggests that having the generators (angular momentum operators) makes the process similar, involving exponentiation.
  • A participant expresses a desire to derive the rotation operator for spin 1 without using the matrix method, proposing to manipulate the rotation operator using Taylor's expansion.
  • There is a mention of using the commutation relations and eigenvalue conditions for angular momentum operators as a starting point for the derivation.
  • One participant describes a method involving raising and lowering operators to find the rotation matrices after establishing the generators.
  • Another participant briefly states that the generators for spin 1 are similar to those for spin 1/2, with a modification in the angle used for rotation.
  • A later reply confirms that a suggested method worked for deriving the rotation operator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods and approaches to derive the rotation operators, but there is no consensus on a single method or resolution of the differences in approach. Multiple competing views remain regarding the best way to derive the rotation operator for spin 1.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on specific mathematical techniques, such as Taylor's expansion and the use of generators, while others propose alternative methods. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and approaches without resolving the underlying complexities.

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How does finding the rotation operator for a spin 1/2 particle differ from finding that of a spin 1 particle?
 
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if you have the generators (angular momentum operators) then its practically the same thing you just exponentiation.
Im not sure if that's what you're asking..
 
Thanks for your reply, but I was pointing to a different road, my question in other words is how to derive, rotation operator for spin 1? How do we get there?
 
M. next said:
Thanks for your reply, but I was pointing to a different road, my question in other words is how to derive, rotation operator for spin 1? How do we get there?

How did you find the rotation operator for spin 1/2? You probably started with the rules for the generators J_i, namely the commutation relation

[J_i,J_j] = i \epsilon_{ijk} J_k

and the eigenvalue conditions

J^2 | j,m\rangle = j(j+1) | j,m\rangle,~~~J_3 | j,m\rangle = m | j,m\rangle .

You then have to choose a set of basis vectors to correspond to the states | j,m\rangle. You can choose a basis so that J_3 is diagonal. From here, you can use trial and error to find a pair of matrices that have the correct commutation relations with J_3 and satisfy the J^2 equation. Otherwise you can form the raising and lowering operators

J_\pm = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} (J_1\pm iJ_2),

J_3 J_\pm | j,m\rangle = (m\pm 1) | j,m\pm 1\rangle

and note that

J_+ | 1,1\rangle = J_- | 1,-1\rangle =0.

These last conditions can be solved with less guesswork.

Once you have the generators, you can exponentiate them to find the rotation matrices.
 
Can entangled spin 1/2 particles have time rate of change spins ? +-+-+-+- Or is spin a fixed value ?
 
Thanks for your reply, but actually I didn't use this way.
We were trying to solve it without using the matrix-method. We know that rotation operator about some axis of unit vector u equals to exp[i/\hbar*uSθ]
Then I can manipulate that and use Taylor's expansion to expand the exponential and then separate the terms into odd powers and even powers to end up with using again the Taylor's expansion but now to compile the 'odd' 'even' terms.

Then what procedure should be done to know spin rotation operator for spin equals 1?

If not what is the correct thing to do?

Thank you a lot.
 
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It is simple,the generators here are like e(imθ) for rotation about z axis,where m=1/2 for spin 1/2 and m=1 for spin 1.i.e. replace θ/2 by θ.
 
Thank you, i tried it and it worked! Thank you andrien.
 

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