Rotational energy on an incline

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a cart on an incline, which includes concepts of rotational energy, potential energy, and spring compression. The cart has a specified mass and is equipped with tires treated as solid disks, and the problem requires calculating the speed of the cart at the bottom of the incline and the compression of a spring upon impact.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy, considering both translational and rotational aspects of the system. There are attempts to clarify the total mass involved in the energy calculations and discussions about the implications of the spring's orientation on energy loss.

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Some participants have provided hints and suggestions for refining the calculations, particularly regarding the total mass of the system and the energy considerations for both the cart and the tires. There is an ongoing exploration of the problem's setup and the assumptions made in the calculations.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the problem statement, particularly regarding the orientation of the spring and how it affects the energy calculations. There is also mention of the need for a clearer understanding of the system's dynamics as it transitions from potential to kinetic energy.

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Homework Statement


A cart whose body has mass M = 1.5 kg is set on four tires each of which has mass m = 0.3 kg and radius r = 0.1 meters. Each tire can be treated as a solid disk with rotational inertia mr2/2. The cart is set on an incline a height h = 1.2 meters high and released. At the bottom, the cart runs into a spring whose force constant is 600 N/m. What is the speed of the cart when it reaches the bottom of the incline? How much is the spring compressed when the cart comes to rest?


Homework Equations


Mgh = 1/2*MV^2 + 1/2*Iω^2
U(s) = 1/2*Kx^2
I = 4(m*r^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


a)
I = 4(0.3*0.1^2)
I = 0.006 Kg m^2

2*Mgh = V^2 (M + I/r^2)
V = √(2*Mgh)/(M + I/r^2)
V = √(2*1.5*9.8*1.2)/(1.5 + 0.006/0.1^2)
V = √(35.28)/(2.1)
V = 4.09 m/s

b)
Mgh = 1/2*MV^2 + 1/2*Iw^2 + 1/2*Kx^2
35.28 = 12.546 + 5.01843 + 250x^2
x = √(17.71557)/(250)
x = 0.26 m

So what did I do wrong?
 
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Hello Zach, welcome to PF :smile:

A clear and concise post. Not all that verbose on the attempt at solution, but it looks as if you know what you are doing.
So just a quick hint and you'll be fine, I hope:

I see that you fill in 1.5 kg for M. But it's not just the cart body that's losing potential energy ! Nor is it just the cart body that has kinetic energy from linear motion: a moving wheel has kinetic energy also if it doesn't rotate !

And in b) the problem formulation "when the cart comes to rest" should help you see what you can do to improve that answer :wink:

I sense a little snag there: If your problem statement means the spring is along the incline, the cart will lose some more potential energy, so it becomes a bit nastier equation than when the spring is horizontal.
 
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BvU said:
I see that you fill in 1.5 kg for M. But it's not just the cart body that's losing potential energy ! Nor is it just the cart body that has kinetic energy from linear motion: a moving wheel has kinetic energy also if it doesn't rotate !.
so M is the mass of the moving system, which means M is 1.5 + 4(0.3) = 2.7 Kg
V = √(2*2.7*9.8*1.2)/(2.7 + 0.006/0.1^2)
V = √(63.504)/(3.3)
V = 4.38 m/s
And for part b I think you should see the diagram for better understanding
 

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Sure helps ! So it's the easy way. Now think of ##v_{\rm final}## and ##\omega_{\rm final}##
 

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